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Hi Friends! Thanks to you, I now know what a rodeo chute sign is, and I get to do it! Yeah! My first challenge is cutting the 4' x 8' .080 aluminum to a 3' x 8'. Our supplier can't cut it. Second, which way would be better: (see pic)either painting the white aluminum black and using white & gold vinyl letters on the black background OR use black vinyl and weed out the letters to be white and then just add gold vinyl letters on top of the black vinyl. Will 1Shot or Chromatic really stick to powder coated aluminum? Also the whole sign is to have a 1" white border. The rodeo has really brought us a lot of work. It's good for everybody! Thanks!
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The aluminum in this situation seems to be a accident waiting to happen. Sharp edges and pointed corners may be a no-no here. Can you get the corners rounded and the edges doubled over?
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Hi Santo! I really don't know how I'd round the corners. I asked about that too and was told all the signs are squared. I wanted to do the sign as temporary on corrplast or more permanent on MDO, but they want it on .080 aluminum. The rodeo grounds owner said they do the installation; all we do is deliver it. I pray that no one gets hurt and I think since we aren't hanging it, we aren't liable. But liability or not, for some to have their head sliced & diced, I still have to sleep at night! The sign will be hung at the back and above the chute; mounted on plywood. Ditton wants the sign on the .080 aluminum as he plans to take it down after the Rodeo and use it other places. Do you think this is so dangerous that we should decline the job. Thanks!
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I'm not really familiar with the placement of these signs. They may be high enough not to worry about it. Maybe, some of the western guys will get involved.
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Hiya Pat, I've cut 080 aluminum on a panel saw with no problems. I don't recomend it, but a good circular saw with the right blade should work too. I normally blunt the corners of aluminum with a pair of tin snips and a file. When I've done work for C-21 in the past, I've just used black aluminum with white and yellow vinyl lettering. Depending on the yellow, when you apply it, the vinyl normally darkens up a little to better match the gold. Also, get 50% down & balance on delivery because that layout doesn't look like it woud be something that was approved in the in the Century 21 logo book. I may be wrong though. Havin' fun, Checkers
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I just couldn't help but do a bit of layout re-do on your design...
Cutting the .080 material should be a snap. We use a straight edge clamped to the material and cut it on a 3" thick chunk of insulating foam with our Bosch sabre saw.
I would not be concerned with the corners if the client isn't. Obviously, they have done this sort of thing in the past and have not had a problem.
Have a great one!
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Thanks for these cutting ideas. I'll post how it gets done and how it comes out. Checkers, you are right on! In this case, I'm the sub and the end customer never sees me. The company that took the order for C-21 and gave it to me explained that the C-21 logo is too small. This baby is pre-paid 100%. Hey, Dr. CAS, your image didn't post and you know I'm just dying to see it! Thanks!
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i'm guessing the chute has a wood backdrop that this will be screwed onto (or a frame it is dropped into), so the sharp edges wont matter so much. (that's why they want the 1" border).
from a design standpoint, i'd add a bit more "white space" (black space) around the design, but if its already approved, i wouldn't bother changing it.
i've cut plenty of 080 with my cheap Black and Decker jig saw and a metal cutting blade. clamp a straight edge down to guide the saw. if you want to be really nice, follow up with a strait router cut or else just use a flat file to clean up the edges.
usually Century 21 likes their logo in gold and all the other stuff in white... i'd make sure the customer's signature is legible on the approval (NOT a verbal approval).
as for the rest, i'd scuff the metal (3M pad or extra fine paper) and give it a nice couple of coats of 1-shot and apply the gold and white. that way, if the customer changes a phone number or something next year, you could just peel up the white vinyl. also, it will use less vinyl and you wont have any seams.
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Hi Pat You can go to your roofing or sheet metal shop & have the metal cut to size & have the edges hem a half inch ( no sharp edges with the the hems ) also you can order your metal in a black finish one side from some of your roofing companys. hope this will help Steve Hopkins
-------------------- Steve Hopkins Piedmont Sign Shop Danville, Va. 24541 434-548-4368 Posts: 39 | From: Danville, Va. USA | Registered: May 2001
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Hey Friends! Yo! Bruce... Dr. CAS... I know your hand at this was not an X in a square. Your image isn't posting! Chuck - I probably called a gold sheet metal place... or it's California - $35.00. Then we had to drive it 100 miles round trip! A local sheet metal place, here in rural Coarsegold, also can't cut even .040. I find it amazing how the cost of things vary across the states. Steve - a roofing company? Whoa! I'll check it out and see what central CA has; getting black aluminum sure would have made this a lot easier. Does anyone know of an aluminum supplier; even one that could ship? Thanks, Scooter, and you're not even too far from us and I bet the bay area prices are really high! What a good reason to get a jig saw! Well, since we need 12" off, we started by taking off only 6" to see what we'd get. We pre-masked on the sheet metal where we were going to cut, and with the help of a straight 2x4 for a guide, and used an old skill saw with a metal blade. Gotta say, it ain't too shabby! We're going to buy a jig saw and a straight router bit today and see what we can do with that. Don't ya just love this 'do-it-yourself' stuff! If we can get good at this, it's a service perhaps we should offer our little community! Personally, I don't care for this lay out. It doesn't talk to me, but this was one of those cases that the customer thinks he knows exactly what he wants and this is what he gave me and paid for. I'm working on that tactful way of showing him his beauitful work of art and presenting him a second and third 'idea', before I cut it. I did say tactful didn't I? Thanks y'all! This rodeo stuff sure is getting fun!
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if it is going to be attached to a piece of plywood why not use .040 and buy it already black? i cut aluminum with regular wood working tools and blades.
-------------------- Jimmy Chatham Chatham Signs 468 stark st Commerce, Ga 30529 Posts: 1766 | From: Commerce, GA, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I appreciate you posting the file for me. I have no idea what is wrong with my e-mail but it seems to be fixed now.
As far as webphotos goes... I will have to learn how to use my web space.
Thanx again!
Have a great one!
-------------------- Bruce Bowers
DrCAS Custom Lettering and Design Saint Cloud, Minnesota
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