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I have an order for one of these type and approx. the same size. I am trying to get idea on price to put a quote together for a client, could you help me get started. The sign will be 2 color and HDU. Any help would be great, this will be the first sign I have blasted, I usally do glass :-)
Tom D
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I don't know how to help you other than to say from a layout stand point it fails.
Please do yourself a favor and purchase mastering layout by Mike Stevens and read it cover to cover.
The main problem I see is the gaping white hole in the middle of the sign. the letters blend into the green and being as tight together as they are are totally unreadable.
I applaud you for your efforts and posting on the board. You have been given a lot of good help lately and that is what this board should be about. Please don't take this as a slam just to slam you but I beleive how can anyone improve unless they know what to improve.
Seeing as the logo was customer supplied I would have made a shape that would comliment the logo the oval actually hurts the readability of it.
[ June 30, 2006, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: Bob Rochon ]
-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
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Blake: For some reason I can't see your photos. I had the same problem with every post you made when you where asking for help with your logo. I could see everyone else's posts but yours. Are you up loading your photos to the letterhead site? Or somewhere else that is not posting to my screen. I would love to see your work, but it does not show up.
Blake, I think the problem is your link to your web site. I tried to get your web site to load, and it runs for almost a minute without loading, then timesout, and asks to retry. iI have a high speed DSL line, so it should load almost immediately.
thanks bob Cole
[ June 30, 2006, 09:44 AM: Message edited by: Robert Cole ]
-------------------- Bob Cole American Sign Company 14163 Akron Canfield Rd. Berlin Center, Ohio 44401
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sorry i have to agree with bob...i realize the sign is done but here's my 2 cents...the line on the bottom doesn't follow the oval...i'd scrap the 428 since its so small you can't see it from any distance. again if you had used a different shape i'm sure this sign could have been greatly improved. i realize we get challenged when the artwork is supplied by the customer but it is up to us to bring suggestions to the table. since you are asking for critiques i am assuming you had some influence on the shape. the logo itself is terrible(i know you had nothing to do with it) it's so jammed together you can't even read it.
i realize this might not be the critique you were looking for but it is what it is.
-------------------- Karyn Bush Simply Not Ordinary, LLC Bartlett, NH 603-383-9955 www.snosigns.com info@snosigns.com Posts: 3516 | From: Bartlett, NH USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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I am pretty thick skinned so you guys won't offend me, at least not more than 30 min.
Anyway that is why I have started posting more on here. I want to learn more about it. I have found that the general public cannot critique a sign or design at all. You ask somebody what they think and they always say it looks good. I have been taking there word for it as a whole and it has caused my designs to suffer. I do have the book and I have read it once, a good while ago. I think I will get it out again.
As far as the above sign goes. It was a requirement that the number be on there. The logo was designed by a "logo designer" (not me) and was paid good money for. so I won't even go there.
I agree with what was said about the bottom line. That is vinyl I might go back there and change that.
Thanks to everyone for the help. Maybe we will get it one day.
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Blake, darlin', next time post on here BEFORE you make the sign. We love to help here on the BB! Everyone's comments are true. Here is what I would have done, a moot point now. Uses their crappy Arial but also reflects that triangular thingy above the door. Just my 2˘. love....Jill
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I've had the same problem as Bob. I have not been able to see any of the pictures Blake has posted, but I can see the other photos posted on the same post.
-------------------- John Duckett Strike Creative Greenwood, South Carolina Posts: 277 | From: Greenwood, SC | Registered: Feb 2004
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blake..."graphic designers" usually make me wanna hurl...they love to make everything tiny tiny tiny. what works in a pamphlet or flyer don't always fly on a sign.
and don't get too bummed if people critique harsh...last year i was lettering my truck and asked what i should do with phone number...and thankfully a few people that i respect said my logo was terrible and i am capable of much better...i peeled that sucka off so fast!lol i'm sooo glad people were honest even if it sounded harsh...i like my logo much better now. of course i'm totally in a different spot than i was 8 years ago when i had done the old one. a year from now, look back and you will see a huge change in your designing skills.
[ June 30, 2006, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: KARYN BUSH ]
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Jillbeans, you should be a graphic designer's teacher! Your layout tweaks are getting really spot-on & ideal in most respects!
Blake, Bob's comments are as much as I'd say too. Is there any chance you could or would print out Jill's version to show them, and see if they 'adopt' it in the future? I reckon that's worth a try!
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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First of all, the designer should have talked them into changing their logo to "JMR" not "JMRIC".
Example... Good Year Tires, Sales and Installation would mean nothing if called "GYTSI". Then put some indistinguishable logo thing-a-ma-jiggy over a letter. Not well thought out.
It was doomed mediocre before you received it.
The logo could be smaller & positioned inside the oval, with margins, & it would read as well as it does now overlapping the border.
The Mike Stevens reference is invaluable & great advice Bob. Read it again & again.
I hope to see more of your work in the future Blake.
It does look good on the brick!
-------------------- Michael R. Bendel Bendel Sign Co,. Inc. Sauk Rapids, MN Posts: 913 | From: Sauk Rapids, MN | Registered: Jul 2005
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