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Ever since I found this site I've been amazed by the level of talent and creativity displayed here. I've also enjoyed how friendly and supportive everyone is in both complimentary and constructive ways.
It's like I've finally found a home.
Anyway, last night I did a little experiment that I've posted below. It's a fine art technique that I've developed but until now never applied to typography.
The medium is black pen and colored pencils on paper. I then scanned the art and gave it a subtle drop shadow in Photoshop.
On the bottom is the fine art application of my technique. It's for the Valentines card I'm designing.
-------------------- Paul Bierce - Designer pabierce@hotmail.com www.paulbierce.com Posts: 330 | From: Dix Hills, NY | Registered: Jan 2005
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Paul, now I'm really determined to get back into drawing. Cool stuff. Love....Jill
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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man I am gonna be the bad egg here....but I don't really care that much for it. It just doesn't appeal to me personally, and I doubt it has much commercial appeal. I mean, you have done and admirable job finishing the drawings with the color and photoshop and all, but even after all that, it seems just a step above doodlin' to me.
That's harsh I guess, but remember I am still trying to be friendly and constructive, yet still tell you the truth---it may not be too complimentary, but two outta three ain't bad.
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I like the 'movement' of these peices and the never-ending shapes caused by the negative and positive spaces... and the way you've shaded areas to introduce the high points where light is bouncing off stuff to create depth and another facet of movement.
I can visualize the drawings in just black and white and I like the 'looseness' and 'spontinaity' of the basic drawings.
I'm going to my new job as the Museum of Art now . . .(lol)
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"Look like a girl, act like a lady, think like a man, work like a dog" Posts: 5758 | From: "Sweet Home" Alabama | Registered: Mar 2003
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Fair enough Barry. The style's not for everyone and it's marketability certainly reflects that.
Different strokes for different folks.
I'm glad you like the movement in the drawings Sheila. I purposefully shade the elements to give the impression of metalic ribbons shimmering in the breeze.
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-------------------- Paul Bierce - Designer pabierce@hotmail.com www.paulbierce.com Posts: 330 | From: Dix Hills, NY | Registered: Jan 2005
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Gee, Barry, you must have forgotten to leave your ego at the door.
Paul, I applaud your different approach. I also like the fact that you used both your natural creative ability and a computer. It's nice when a machine can enhance something that was done by the human hand.
I don't care whether it is marketable or not, in fact, I think a greeting card company would like it a lot. I like your work as well. Thanks for having the courage to post it. Love.....Jill
Edited to add: Thanks for the backpedal Barry, so future perusers of this thread think that you originally posted a pic of the Mona Lisa and not a urinal in the guise of Modern Art.
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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I never said that Suelynn, I was just making an observation that "Fine Art" is very subjective. There was a "Fine Artist" Marcell Duchamp, who with the 1917 piece "The Fountain" turned the art world on its ear declaring forever the subjectivity of art. Check this link:The Fountain: Greatest example of Modern Art?
What I said was I didn't much care for the pieces as posted. I did say that they were well rendered, for what they were. I went on to say that I liked Paul's stuff better than the Urinal/Fountain.
I SAID I was gonna be a bad egg on this, and so I am. I am not meaning to specifically be insulting, I just decided to be blunt and honest, and stimulate a little conversation at the same time.
"Art" and "Beauty" truly are subjective. To me, when I break Paul's drawings down visually, and do the mental deconstruction and comparison that we all do (at least I do), it just doesn't measure up. If I were to do this, it would be a doodle, nothing more.
Any time I post here. I do my best to display art that I think is among my "best" (read:not the best)work. I respect you guys too much not to show my best face, and frankly, when I do post, I think I did well and generally am looking for a compliment. Sometimes I don't get it, 'cause perception is SUBJECTIVE. Lots of times though, I do, and I appreciate it.
As far as takin' criticism, Suelynn, I showed what you wrote to my wife, and you will be glad to know that she agreed with you. I do too. I am trying to work on it. So the next time I post a design or sign, its open season. Gimme your best shot, I promise to listen and apply what I hear.
I believe my opinion of Paul's drawings is valid. If you are HONEST in your assessment, yours is too. There is no right or wrong response.
But some of the comments though, just smelled like empty niceties.
We are not all "artistic Giants" in here. God knows I am not, but at the same time, we shouldn't just toss just anything out there and call it our "art" either.
We also ought to not just compliment the work of others just to be "Nice". If we are just gonna be "nice" then what is the point of a "critique"?
We all ought to give, expect and TAKE the honest opinions of peers and betters that we respect. Otherwise whats the point of showing our stuff at all?
Even when I don't publicly agree with advice I am given here. I Learn from it.
What's the old cliche'? Eat the Fish and Spit out the Bones? I do my best to do that. But sometimes I spew out some good stuff with the bad, 'cause I just can't take it. That's MY problem, and as I said, I am workin' on it.
But it ought to be important to all of us to know that we can count on the truth from our peers. How can we respect each other if we aren't tellin' the truth?
If anyone has ever given me a compliment they felt I did not deserve, I hope they don't do it in the future.
I respect the talent of all those here, and there are many that are better designers than me. NOTHING Jazzes me more than when I post a pic, and someone with REAL TALENT digs it, or offers a critical point of view that, even if I don't like it in the moment, I still learn from. That is the whole point.
I started this mess bein' a little smart, I admit that. But at the same time I also really mean what I am saying. I hope that message gets across.
I apologize for having offended anyone with my methods.
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Paul, I just saw a high school girls car (driving crazy with 4 kids) the other day. Looks like she paid a sign shop an easy $100 bill to put her name on the mirrors with her initials & short sayings with matching striping around her new Honda. I think if marketed right, your name concept above and additional finishing products you could tap a market. We've got lots of brand new cars in the high school parking lot. A few are BMW's or Hondas on par.
Ron
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Not my cup of tea either but I could see buying stuff with that heart on it (card, mug, candle holder, assorted dust collectors) for others who I know would eat this up
Fine art ... I don't know/care ... marketable, definitely.
Can you do skulls and flames with that technique?
-------------------- Compulsive, Neurotic, Anti-social and Paranoid ... but basically Happy Posts: 2677 | From: Rochester, NY, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Well I'm going to give my 2 cents worth as well, I think for lettering it's almost unreadable, the heart looks good, but like Barry said that's just my opinion, I'm sure the man has talent, no doubt, but it's not my cup of tea. I never did like abstract, surreal? Yes. So don't go hating me for giving my opinion, please. I had the same thoughts as Barry, right from the beginning, but thought I should'nt say anything, or never had the guts to give my honest opinion.
I guess I just don't appreciate a certain type of artwork, or even have the skill to appreciate a certain type. lol
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