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Hope the pic comes through alright. Not our first HD sign but our coolest looking one to date. Our Gerber Sabre 408 did most of the work but on this one we got to hand sculpt the cigar into the rounded shape. and distress the end to achieve the "ash" look. The JAC in the center was engraved out and added/bonded using PB Bond after the sculpting was done.
Questions/comments?
[ April 28, 2003, 10:54 AM: Message edited by: Rob McCauley ]
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OK I'll be the first.... It does'nt do anything for me at all... Sorry, but I visited your website and I know that you guys are more than capable of doing a better job than this, you have the tools and layout skills based on your website. Sorry, I'm just being Honest here, and it's only my opinion, and I maybe out to lunch on this one.
Sheesh I feel like Simon Cowell from American Idol.
[ April 29, 2003, 06:56 AM: Message edited by: Neil D. Butler ]
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SIGNS1st. Neil Butler Paradise, NF Posts: 6277 | From: St. John's NF Canada | Registered: Mar 1999
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i think what looks a little outta whack is that script in an arc(usually a big no no)...if the font was different and maybe there were some outlines to have it jump out more that would really improve the design ...the concept is there with the cigar and all...it just needs some tweeking. not that i'm any pro...i'm new to the router/3d world also...hey its a learning experience and we're suppose to have fun..right?
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-------------------- Karyn Bush Simply Not Ordinary, LLC Bartlett, NH 603-383-9955 www.snosigns.com info@snosigns.com Posts: 3516 | From: Bartlett, NH USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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Ok I read your post over and over and I can tell you are proud of the craftmanship that you did by hand, and for that I give you a tripple a+ for doing it.
Most shops now a day wont even venture out to hand work.
What hurts this sign is not hand craftsmanship but overall layout and design.
you've got script on an arc, major no-no, you've also got different angles going on here in your lettering, it doesnt flow well.
The cigar blends into your background and that JAC should be a cigar label wrapped around the band. lol
Oh this could have been sooo sweet if the design was tweaked before production.
But I do applaud you for trying and the cigar does look good.
please dont take this critique to heart, you should see some of my early ones, heck who's to say my present ones are good hahahaha.
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"Life is Like an Echo, what you put out, comes back to you." Posts: 5149 | From: Millbury, Mass. U.S. | Registered: Nov 1998
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Just so you all know, we did NOT design the artwork on this one, although I had to tweak it to make it look even this good. We had to make due unfortunately. It was designed by a recently graduated design student, if you can believe that The cigar was the only saving grace on this piece for me. We hated the font from "go" and thought that the JAC took away from the overall readablillity of the business name. The JAC was originally twice the size! It was just pretty fun to make versus some "Billy Bob Estates" sign with a border and raised text where the router did all the work.
Thanks for being honest. I should have thought in advance about my artwork/design discalimer
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Good, I'm not the only one jacked by the JAC.
I really like the cigar leafs, the font is icky and that JAC.... I can't imagine how nasty the design looked when it was twice as big, especially with how nasty it still looks with the half size JAC.
Perhaps the design student should reconsider...I've heard there are wonderful career opportunities waiting...just beyond the golden arches.
-------------------- Chris Welker Wildfire Signs Indiana, Pa Posts: 4254 | From: Indiana, PA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Niel, your Simon pic finally came through LOL! I'll have to re-read your post with a british accent
Joe,
To tell you the truth we just beat on it with misc. shop tools. A little trick I that I saw some furniture guys use for making distressed furniture. We painted the gray base coat, let it dry, ran a rag dipped in black paint over it, then wiped a dry rag over that to remove the excess paint. The black sticks in the cracks & pits.
Chris, that golden arches line cracked me up
"I tried to warn him...but he didn't listen!" - Ren (of Ren & Stimpy)
-------------------- Rob McCauley
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There are no words... well, yes there are, its just that none of them are repeatable in mixed company. This design violates every basic principle I can think of, was he sniffing glue when he came up with it? It does my heart good to see that the design schools are generating such skilled and talented graduates... you're kidding, right? Tell that designer to sue the school and his professors for fraud, if this is the kind of pure galvanized schit he learned there. Ugggghhhh.....at least I have the compensation of knowing a signman didn't design that abortion. While you are at it, find the mother of the client who thinks this horror show looked good enough to pay a designer to produce, and slap her for raising such an ignorant kid. Better yet, have that designer come to a letterhead meet sometime soon, so we can knock the ugly out of him before he does any more damage. I am actively sorry that you had to produce this, and shudder to think of what it would have looked like without your input.
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Cam Bortz Finest Kind Signs Pondside Iron works 256 S. Broad St. Pawcatuck, Ct. 06379 "Award winning Signs since 1988" Posts: 3051 | From: Pawcatuck,Connecticut USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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LOL... good on ya Cam! Being one of the 'chosen few' here, you can get away with shlt like that!
Many's the time I have to remind myself of the old axiom - "if you cant say anything postive, say nothing".
I just cant bring myself to give a verbal handj0b no matter the post, like a lot of folks around here do. I wonder how many posts like this one are actually jokes to see how many 'attaboys' they can get!!
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First of all, my slam was on the designer, not the sign fabricator, and especially as this was designed by a "recent design school graduate", who now has a fancy piece of paper encouraging him/her to go through life inflicting this kind of awful crap on the public. Second, my vitriol is also directed at the pretentious jack-loads who charged this poor schlub $100,000+ for four years of at an art school while obviously not teaching dick, producing graduates who go out in the world with the attitude of condescension and scorn for the people who have to turn their mental bilge-waste into something tangible for a client. I've delt with plenty of these useless buttf***s, as have we all.
As for being "one of the chosen..." Chosen what? Chosen to have eyes and a mind? Chosen to call it like it is instead of kissing someon's a*s? Oh well.
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Cam Bortz Finest Kind Signs Pondside Iron works 256 S. Broad St. Pawcatuck, Ct. 06379 "Award winning Signs since 1988" Posts: 3051 | From: Pawcatuck,Connecticut USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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On the RARE occasion where someone is ignorant enough to hand me a crappy design like that.........I only have to look at them for a minute or so, and they leave.... Saves me a lot of trouble when they go quietly !!
Rob......... You will save yourself a whole lot of grief in the future if you REFUSE this kind of work.......It will "ALWAYS" come back to bite ya in the ass.......Nobody cares "WHO" designed (designed can't even apply here) the job..."YOU DID THE WORK" & "ONLY YOU"RE" reputation will reflect that job LOONNNGGG after it's gone down the road.....!!
If it was me........I'd chase that thing down ......get it back........and burn the SOB.....!!
I'm speaking from some long hard earned experience here, and am only trying to point ya in the right direction, so you won't make the same mistakes again...!!
Actually..........You're lucky you showed that thing here....and got a couple GOOD HONEST & WELL MEANT critiques from some folks that know !!
Hope this helps........cj
"DAMN......." I just went back and read Cam's posts a couple more times............. Cam....Can I copy and paste those responses..?? Those are just tooooo right on, not to be used in a BUNCH of more places I can think of.........!! I'm Serious..........
Ya need to file and keep them to use where necessary.....all ya gotta do is change a name here an there...
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