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This is a business card I designed for my vinyl supplier Jamie Mosley. All the effects were added with eye candy via photoshop.
-------------------- Maker of fine signs and other creative stuff. Located at 109 N. Cumberland ave. Harlan, Ky. 40831 606-837-0242 Posts: 4172 | From: Ages-Brookside, Ky. Up the Holler... | Registered: Jul 1999
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Whew! We got bevels, chrome, starlets, checkered flags and flames, not to forget 5 typestyles, yet the sub copy, phone number and address info are pretty hard to read!
I think ya oughta ease up on some of the effects John! No need to use 'em all on the same job!
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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It is way over done. The flames compete for attention with the name. The sub-copy is illegible. If this wasn't twice as big as a normal card, I wouldn't have been able to read it at all.
We have a term at our shop... "Outcooled yourself". Definately applies here.
Have a great one!
-------------------- Bruce Bowers
DrCAS Custom Lettering and Design Saint Cloud, Minnesota
"Things work out best for the people who make the best of the way things work out." - Art Linkletter Posts: 6451 | From: Saint Cloud, Minnesota | Registered: Jun 1999
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i think you guys need to ease up on my buddy john.
if you read his post above, i don't believe you will find anything about him asking for a critique from the so-called "SIGN GODS" if i wanted to i could go to stickerpimp.com and rip it apart.
People who do not want opinions or critiques on their work should not post it here! It should be pretty obvious to anyone by now that you'll get feedback from members of this BB whether or not you ask for it.
What would you rather have, an honest opinion or a fluffy response blown up yer butt just so yer feelings don't get hurt?
John's card design is cool, I like it, there's just too much going on. It could definitely be simplified a bit though. When his customer receives a thousand of them and finds out his phone numbers and location are completely illegible, I don't think he'd have anything to say that was nearly as kind as the previous responses here!
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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Oh well, sorry guys, its already at the printers. Customer loved it, and wanted the sub copy to be the way it is. I have to disagree that the effects are overdone pimp, as the customer wanted it flashy and bright. I did three versions of the card, and he picked this one. I usually dont post anything on here until it is finished, but opinions are welcome. Ive been designing for twenty some years now, so I guess I know what works and what dont, but I am not above taking suggestions from those with similar experience. Keep them comments coming, and lets enjoy seeing each others work. The portfolio page is not used enough.
-------------------- Maker of fine signs and other creative stuff. Located at 109 N. Cumberland ave. Harlan, Ky. 40831 606-837-0242 Posts: 4172 | From: Ages-Brookside, Ky. Up the Holler... | Registered: Jul 1999
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askign for opinions is always asking to get LYNCHED. You will get usable info and not so usable info..
Aksing for reactions is what is used in focus groups to test reactions.... To test the validity of an idea.
In one focus group using purses. The company asked for reactions and opinions. After it was all over. the co said, hey u can have any purse you like.. take one and leave.
No one took the purse they said liked the most. Guess what the real focus (answer) was,, And now you have guchi (sp) purses looking like they do. The purse taken the most is the design they use that is so famous..
P.S. That card does exactly what a card is supposed to do. Clearly say who you are and how to contact you. Thats all.
A b-card is not supposed to be a resume' of everything... so it looks great to me hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
-------------------- Leaper of Tall buildings.. If you find my posts divisive or otherwise snarky please ignore them. If you do not know how then PM me about it and I will demonstrate. Posts: 5274 | From: Im a nowhere man | Registered: Jul 2001
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if you were at a live meet and you saw in someone's portfolio a sign or design you did not like and you were standing next to this person, would you be so critical?
if one is open enough to show their "stuff" on the portfolio page, then folks should have the common courtesy to e-mail that person and express one's design opinions, instead of lambasting the person in a public forum.
Yep, if I'm at a live meet standing next to someone and looking through their portfolio, I will tell them what I like or dislike about a certain project. What I absolutely will not do under any circumstance, is say "Oooohhh this one's sooo niiiiice" when I don't really believe that to be true. I will, however, encourage beginners and offer suggestions for improvement. Whether or not anyone agrees with the suggestions is up to them. Some people can take criticism positively, others can't, but if nobody criticizes anyone then everything just stays the same. If all you hear is "Oooohhh this is goood" there is no drive to improvement, and there's always room for improvement no matter how good you are.
I also did not lambast, bash, scrutinize or belittle John in any way here. I picked up a few things I would have done differently to enhance the readability of the card, and presented them in a single simple sentence. If I were to scrutinize or blast him, my post would have included two paragraphs expanding upon each minor issue along with some insults, personal attacks, shouting and maybe even a nasty email about him and his family.
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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I think is a good looking job, the colors are bright and work well together, the eyecandy effects are done well and make it a realistic "shiney card" however .... I do think it is a just a weebit over worked, but I am a simple kind of guy... personally for my OWN card I like to keep it simple, but jazzy my Own personal card would look like this but maybe without the flames and flags. thats my opinion and I think John knows that it aint worth sheet compared to the guy payin for the cards. Love your work bro... keep it up.
oh and my opinion on offering opinions? who cares about my opinion on that? I think it happens at live meets why shouldnt it happen here.?
-------------------- Ken McTague, Concept Signs 57 Bridge St. (route 107) Salem MA 01970 1-978-745-5800 conceptsign@yahoo.com http://www.pinheadlounge.com/CaptainKen
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"A wise man once said that, or was it a wise guy?" Posts: 2425 | From: Salem, MA | Registered: Apr 1999
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Im not offended in the least by any comments made here. I offer up pics of my jobs for others to see the work I am doing. I wish everyone would do that. I really dont think anyone has commented favorably on anything I put up here just cause they like me, although I am likable. But I do want to touch on one comment Mike made.
quote: People who do not want opinions or critiques on their work should not post it here! It should be pretty obvious to anyone by now that you'll get feedback from members of this BB whether or not you ask for it.
Putting it bluntly like that seems a little radical to me Mike. It may keep some from posting anything thinking they will be blasted. Lots of posters ask all the time for feedback on something they have done. Not all do. The portfolio page is titled as this: The Portfolio Table Use this forum to share photos of your favorite projects. Thats what most are doing. Sharing photos of recent projects, etc. for us all to see. Most of the time they are not actually asking for critiques, but just showing us what they have done. The only criticisms I dont like are those that are blunt and unforgiving. Ive seen some on here like that, and all it does is keep people from posting work, or causes bad feelings. I usually post here ever so often, especially when the postings get thin. Ill even put up two or three at a time just to get it flowing again. Ive never been bothered by anything said on my posts of sign photos, and although a seasoned veteran, I am not above learning from my peers. I love seeing others material on here, and although I dont comment on every one I see, I look at them all. Looking forward to seeing more of everyones work on here.
-------------------- Maker of fine signs and other creative stuff. Located at 109 N. Cumberland ave. Harlan, Ky. 40831 606-837-0242 Posts: 4172 | From: Ages-Brookside, Ky. Up the Holler... | Registered: Jul 1999
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My comment wasn't meant to scare off anyone from posting, I was just stating that any time you post in a public forum, whether it's just a comment or picture of work, you should do so with the anticipation of receiving feedback about it, regardless if you ask for it. It's human nature.
You put your work up in an art gallery, it's going to receive positive and negative comments. That doesn't mean you should not put the artwork on display for fear of criticism.
Sometimes you just gotta take the bad with the good, but not be so sensitive to let the bad paralyze you.
-------------------- "If I share all my wisdom I won't have any left for myself."
Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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What if we included a comment in our posts indicating we were open for suggestions or if we asked the poster if they were open for suggestion?
There is nothing wrong with constructive suggestion. Letterheads are always asking themselves "How can this be improved?" Any suggestions should always be accompanied with text that describes what design elements might be changed in our obsession with perfection.
We need to do more here in Letterville to get the Design/Cost Forum going. That is probally a better place to take our designs back to the drawing board, tear them apart and learn the design fundamentals we can apply to our own projects.
Nice job John. Are you open for suggestion on this one?
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well it is the Portfolio table, and what usually happens at the portfolio table at a live meet? some will flip through and look at all of them with no comments, some will look at a book together and talk about the designs as they flip through, and some will even go say stuff like "wow, ddi you see that guys work, awesome, check it out". and on occasion someone will offer critique to the owner of the book. But they do offer first. what happens here is a combination of these, seens the comments made here are viewable by all, the coments made on it can be seen by the poster. good or bad.
-------------------- Ken McTague, Concept Signs 57 Bridge St. (route 107) Salem MA 01970 1-978-745-5800 conceptsign@yahoo.com http://www.pinheadlounge.com/CaptainKen
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"A wise man once said that, or was it a wise guy?" Posts: 2425 | From: Salem, MA | Registered: Apr 1999
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Hi new here.Had to jump in on this one becuase these cards are for a racer.I grew up in racing and a body shop.Racers want lotsa flash even to the point of extremems sometimes.I think the above mentioned customer proves my point.He wanted flashy and he got it.Very nice,I like it!
Point being, A buisness card is a extention of the buisnesse's personality....IMO ofcourse,Just like a antuiqe dealer would want nothing like that.They like pastels,and white.
-------------------- JohnnyUtah fatphords@hotmail.com No buisness,a hobbyist. Posts: 8 | From: Kansas | Registered: Aug 2002
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Hi John, I'm kinda a lurker here, but I'll give you my two cents worth anyhow. I don't think you'll cry over it if I say you might try something different next time! The effects are AWESOME - I want to learn how to do that. Flames good. Typestyle-racey. The improvements here could be the subcopy. The address & phone number just look thrown in. It's cool if you intend to look random & freestyle, but I don't think it's coming off that way. The # is very close to the left edge, much more so than the space on the right for the address. Also, the two lines for the address are throwing off the balance of negative space left to right. It still will be pretty tiny on a card, so, I suggest making the # bigger & centered, with the address bigger in a one liner underneath. Actually above or beneath would work. I know, too late, but I always look for improvements in my own work, so I hope you take my thoughts lightly! Good work dude. Thanks for posting & giving me incentive to figure out how to use Eyecandy!
-------------------- Jerry Steward Sign&Print Bethlehem, PA Posts: 126 | From: Bethlehem, PA | Registered: Oct 2001
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The facts; 1. Customer loved it. 2. A racer's card should not to be compared to Joe the Banker's business card. 3. The beveled chrome is deep, I mean real deep, I love it. 4. Customer loved it. 5. Flames and Checkered flags are expected to be there, so don't count them as extras. 6. It gets the desired attention. Everything esle is secondary.
-------------------- John Cordova Gitano Design Studio Albuquerque, NM Posts: 268 | From: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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John. Thats one of the reasons I have never posted anything on the board.. I realy don't need the frustration of the sign gods ripping it apart...But, I did just finish the shop van. I might post a picture of it and see what everyone can find wrong with it.. Kenneth Scott
-------------------- Kenneth Scott Ken's Custom Tees 311 River Road Cumberland, Ky 40823 kenscott@setel.com Posts: 31 | From: Cumberland Kentucky | Registered: May 2002
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