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I asked awhile back about some help with a menuboard for this....
I solved that.
Here is the start of the dimensional project, its made with Cibatool HDU which is much much denser and less powdery to work with that the 2 well know US brands.
I used to prime the board first and then apply the rubber mask but found I was getting raised edges (more work) after I removed it.
I saw all the letters out by hand again in a board that is over 300g density over 20lbs but requires very little filling work afterwards. I used a spray filler and finsh with an auto basecoat.
Here is the nearly finshed (without final clearcoat) sign
and a closer look at the letters.
[ April 21, 2002, 04:02 AM: Message edited by: Henry Barker ]
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VERY nice looking work.....thanks for the series of photos.... Questions..Is this material available here in the States.and how much in US dollars???? And what is the Brand of the Clear Top Coat ?????? Also please post photo after installation.... Shep'
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Henry, Very nice buildup, and very grabby colors. With my 15# HDU, I would have to brush and or trowel in at least 4 coats of filler primers. What type of gun and tip sizes do you use? This is an area where I really get killed on time. I can't see in the picture, but is the HDU texture totally filled to smooth? Thanks, and very nice job. Jack
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Thanks for the kind words!......the line "Is it available here...normally is me trying to locate US products!"
Its made by Ciba Speciality Chemicals, its a "tooling" board made to all different densities. This one is .37g if you can find a conversion table! I have one but at work.
They are picking it up tomorrow morming, its being installed in downtown Stockholm in a foodhall where you can eat all diifferent foods but all sit together. I will not be doing the install as we are out doing another this side of town. I will ask him to take a pic so I can post at a later date.
Shep I use Deka sign enamels on the background, and then clear with FJ or One Shot 4005. We have Standox auto-paint here and thier clear or again Frog-spit.
Jack I paint with a Binks HVLP gun, and I sandblast with a Clemco system using fine dried sand and a 1/4" (6.5mm) nozzle. I built my own graining tool which I think produces a more realistic look.
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Wow! That turned out great! Is the white outline painted or is it another layer? Do you use your HVLP gun to spray on the primer as well? If so, what brand of primer do you use? And one more thing, if you don't mind, would youi shed some light on your homemade grain fraim. It has one of the best looking woodgrains I've seen in HDU even with other homemade versions. Thanks!
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Excellent job! Stand up and take a bow! I am duly impressed.
Have a great one!
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I only hope that the food is as good as the sign!
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Henry, That is a beautiful sign! I would like to get my hands on some of that HDU. It sounds like it paints up real nice. The sealing and sanding stage of HDU signs is the part I hate. I too, would like some info on your grain tool. That background looks great.
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Amy and Mark, I took some pictures today of my graining tool. I will post them tomorrow (I am at home now). I just welded some 3/4" angle iron together, drilled holes at each end, and ran cheap "garden" wire back and forth, tensioned with a pair of pliers so its not really tensioned! the wires move I have made them abit irregular too, so you get a really nice effect, if I brake the wires I just replace it from a roll, but its not often.
I sandblast with a large industrial blaster driven by a diesel compressor.
Amy the HDU is ver smooth, I took a real close picture of it and one of your big US brands and you can see the difference, I primed this sign with an aerosol filler primer from an auto parts store, you can buy the same to run thru the spraygun too I believe. This sign is sitting indoors.
I had to look long and hard as Sign*Foam were not really interested in supplying us here. THe HDU I use is used for industrial toolmaking, and protypes, and is manufactured to very high standards. The only draw back is the sheet size. I don't know whats available in the US, but if you check your major chemical manufacturers and ask who they supply PUR to you might find more board manufacturers, offering different densities.
The company in Europe that makes Cibatool board products is Vantico Ltd www.vantico.com they have a US division at www.rentooling.com you can check this out and see how it can compliment those that supply the sign industry today. I guess I use somrthing similar to Renshape 5030 although here its know as Cibatool 5135 and is .37g density.
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thanks for the link Henry looks like a nice saw. Did you cut the shape of the sign with this saw as well. what are its limitations as far as the width & thickness of substate you can use?
I've been staring at your grain... I'm guessing your technique here was to put your frame over the foam, blast it a while (about 3/4" or so deep it looks like?) then remove the frame and blast it again in a sweeping motion to get the aged or eroded look in the grain? It's almost a driftwood looking effect, very interesting.
If you dont mind me asking, what size did you make your frame? Like yourself and so many others, I've been considering building my own versus buying the outrageously priced 'grain fraim'. What I dont know (since I've never used one) is how big to make it to cover the widest spectrum of potential signs.
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