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Does anybody have a effective way of applying vinyl to vertically corrugated aluminum siding ? Seem to have a problem whether I do a vertical hinge or a horizontal hinge. I seem to get alot of creases etc...and it looks just terrible ! Is there a way to get a good smooth lay-down ???
Thank-you very much !
Chris
-------------------- Chris MacAlpine Milestone Signs & Designs Inc. Abbotsford,B.C.,Canada milestonesigns@telus.net Posts: 1 | From: Abbotsford,B.C.,Canada | Registered: Aug 2002
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Chris you didn't say if you were applying it wet or dry. My only answer is I would vertical hinge and squeegie toward the vertical ribs and use a wet app and lots of Rapid Tac!
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or carefully use the hinge method and keep teh material up and away while u squegge it out..... it will go fine , take yer time.. Use cast vinyl. it will not spring back
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work it over the raised corrugation with your fingers until it starts heading inwards, then squeegee on through until you reach the top of the next raised corrugation. Use your fingers again and repeat the process. It doesn't hurt to go back and squegee the areas that you used your fingers on in order to get the adhesive sticking well.
-------------------- Bruce Evans Crown Graphics Chino, CA graphics@westcoach.net Posts: 913 | From: Chino, CA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I would be glad to furnish you with a sample of one of several 3M films now available with a classic example of 3M Innovation...Comply Performance Technology.
You can read all about it here or give me a call to discuss the particulars of your project and I'll be glad to help you out in any way that I can.
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-------------------- Jon Aston MARKETING PARTNERS "Strategy, Marketing and Business Development" Tel 705-719-9209 Posts: 1724 | From: Barrie, ON, CANADA | Registered: Sep 2000
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For application on a corrugated surface I use the same method as Bruce, a combo of fingers and squegee.
If you try to use wet application, be prepared to head back to the shop, full of frustration, to cut a new set of graphics. You will sleep poorly that night wondering if the god's are with you and whether the application fluid will have evaporated overnight. (It will NOT have evaporated but at least that will make removal of the previous day's work a bit easier.)
Have I done this kind of stuff before??? See below.
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Chris, I tend to prefer the method Bruce and Dave use, though I think whether to use the application fluid depends on your personal preference.
Depending on the size of the the panel you could have residual application fluid remaining for a little while (I'm sure Rapid Roger can advise us here ). If the majority of the application fluid is pushed out well during lay-down and the vinyl has a good bond and high conformability you will likely have good results. (Yes Roger I do use Rapid Tac for some applications)
Our Series 751 high performance film works extremely well over corrugations. The higher density might be a little easier to work with and the progressively setting adhesive is very forgiving.
Dave, that's a beautiful job! What was it done with and printed on?
-------------------- Kenneth Sandlin Author of "Wide Format Printing: An Introduction and Buyer's Guide" PO Box 1295 St. Augustine, FL 32085 kennethsandlin@msn.com http://wfprinting.tripod.com Posts: 116 | From: Jacksonville, FL | Registered: May 2002
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Dave, I will "sorta" agree with you, some "corrugated" surfaces are more pronounced then others (round contour VS sharp edge contours) the sharp abrupt edge corrugation is a bear wet !!!
However, the "slow smooth corrugation" is a snap for wet application, done plenty (even as demonstrations).
Roger
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I don't mean to sound "cocky" about this, but 3M's Comply Performace Technology will all but render most of these comments obsolete.
I encourage everyone to contact their local 3M dealer (ND GRAPHICS in Canada) and request a sample...it is really cool and incredible stuff...also available in an EDGE Ready format: Gerber/3M Controltac Series 250C
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When I installed vinyl I did it dry-sorry Roger, (especially corrugated) and I used a regular and wide rivet brush to lay the vinyl down, make sure to use plenty of pressure, then go back with a squeegie, before removing app-tape, also make sure you use a good app-tape the stiffer the better, 3M being the best choice, that could have a lot to do with it. Rick
-------------------- Rick Chavez Hemet, CA Posts: 1540 | From: Hemet,CA U.S.A. | Registered: Jun 2001
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Yeah Jon, Comply fimls are pretty neat. But, they are still kinda pricey (got that 3M sticker on 'em ) and they've got that wierd waffle looking micro texture that kinda bugs me. For big work the comply stuff is an absolute dream to work with, we've been Scotchprinting on it for about 2½ - 3 years now. I just dont like the look of it on smaller scale applications.
-------------------- Jon Androsky Posts: 438 | From: Williamsport, PA | Registered: Mar 2002
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The 3M Comply is great for the big stuff, as you say. We did some 24" x 40' stripes on tankers this winter and it was sooooo easy with that suff. Its not perfect though... its almost impossible to weed with any medium or small size because it does not stick at all to the liner, so whatever you have left on the liner just moves freely (not a good thing). The other problem I had was trying to use it on a small stipe job on a box truck (8" stripes) I tried it right off the liner with no tape but it was hot and sunny and this stuff just stretches so easy it just fell apart on me, same technique I always use, the heat and sun got it. It is very cool to be able to just push out any bubbles and wrinkles though, a great product for a specific purpose.
As far as the corrugations, I'd do it dry, as Dave mentioned. Good luck with her
-------------------- Brian Stoddard Northwest Signs
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Kenneth...The rodeo trailer was done with Edge Prints, thanks to Ken Henry!
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). If the majority of the application fluid is pushed out well during lay-down and the vinyl has a good bond and high conformability you will likely have good results. (Yes Roger I do use Rapid Tac for some applications)
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