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It's time for a computer upgrade. My choices are xp or windows 2000 pro. I know gerber just announced that it will support both with Omega software but I also have Corel Draw 8 and Adobe Illustrator 8. Is anyone running either of these programs on XP or W2K Pro with success?
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I had lots of problems with Corel 8 on my Win2000Pro machine. When Corel 8 bombed, it would not uninstall properly and would not allow me to reinstall it. Even hunting down and deleting left over Corel 8 Registry settings after the uninstall did not work. I had to upgrade to Corel 9, however, that would not install either until I reloaded the operating system from scratch.
Others may not have the same problems I had with Corel 8. Configurations are so complex and different, it is hard to say what someone else's situation will be. For me, Corel 8 and W2000P were a nightmare. Corel 8 may be too old for the current op systems.
Although W2000P has its quirks (we call it the paranoid operating system), it is much more stable than W98Rev2. I probably reboot weekly now, rather than half a dozen times a day.
I can't speak for Illustrator since I only recently got Illustrator 10 and have no prior experience with it.
-------------------- David Harding A Sign of Excellence Carrollton, TX Posts: 5089 | From: Carrollton, TX, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I have Corel 8 running on my son's XP home edition machine, but it will not recognize the clipart files for importing. I am able to open the file and edit or copy paste into other files. I also run 8 on a Win 2000 Pro machine and have problems printing to the Xerox color printer. The postscript drivers have never worked properly.
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I'm more or less with Bob on this one. When and if I ever get around to a new 'puter, I am going to look into the possibility of getting one with nothing installed in the way of an OS, or pre-loaded software. Then I would see if I can transfer everything on the old system, including Win98 first edition (with many patches), files and programs to the new unit.
Not even sure if this is legal---same programs and OS appearing on a 2nd 'puter, even though the old one would be retired and taken out of service.
Has anyone else done this, and if so, what problems (legal and otherwise) did you run into?
-------------------- Bill Preston Fly Creek, N.Y. USA Posts: 943 | From: Fly Creek, N.Y. USA | Registered: Jan 2000
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Bill, unless you have corruption you want to eliminate, you could move the whole hard drive into a new machine. You could have the bigger, new HD that came with the machine stay in there, & add the old one complete with files & installed software. If you don't need larger HD for working purposes, stay running on old drive in new tower with faster processor, more ram, dvd burners or whatever other new bells & whistles come with the new puter. You will save hours on re-installing sortware, configuring devices & general troubleshooting. Then you could back up data to the bigger HD without having to always deal with removable media for your back-ups.
I may be oversimplifying a little because I had help when I did this, so I am a little hazy on the exact description of what gets done, but it worked for me.
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98 se was crashing on me all the time- to the point of throwing my 'puter out in the street. I built a new 'puter and put XP on it. It did not like corel 8 at all. I upgraded to 10 and everything is (I'm going to wisper this so Old Paint don't here me) PERFECT! XP and Corel 10! It simply does not lock up! its hickuped a couple of times but it was always recoverable. One of the problems i had with XP and corel 8, it wouldn't let me in to the properties when i would attempt to print. That kind of put a stop to using my vinyl cutter! ouch! good luck
-------------------- Dave Utter D-utterguy on chat Sign Designs Beardstown, Il. signdesigns@casscomm.com Posts: 777 | From: beardstown, illinois, usa | Registered: Mar 1999
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As far as the legalities of transferring everything to a new computer and retiring the old is concerned, I do not see that it would violate the spirit of the license agreement. Most cover a single computer. I have transferred the license from one computer to another by contacting Microsoft. You might be violating the letter of the agreement if you did not officially transfer.
Bob says he won't upgrade as long as everything is working. He has a very valid point. I, unfortunately, had to upgrade because of a major crash.
A person I know at another company has a 16 MHz Mac with a 30 Mb hard drive. He asked me my thoughts on upgrading. I asked if his system works fine without crashing. The answer was affirmative. I told him I wouldn't touch that computer. If he wants a bigger, faster one so that he can get to larger system crashes more quickly, he should just buy a new computer but leave the old one alone. He'll probably need it as a lifeboat.
-------------------- David Harding A Sign of Excellence Carrollton, TX Posts: 5089 | From: Carrollton, TX, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Bill; You are licensed to operate the software. If you want to operate it slow or fast is up to you. To have all your software run on a new machine, rund scandisk and auto fix errors, then remove primary drive from old machine. Remove primary drive if supplied, from new machine. Start up, go into cmos and recognize drives and save. Restart in windows safe mode. Then "my computer" "control panel" "system" Remove all the things that you know are wrong. For instance you may have a different modem if you did not switch that over, maybe a different video card and so on. Check to see if you have extra suff showing up from old installs; remove extra junk. Restart in regular mode. Windows will find the new hardware, you will need to supply the drivers for them (the new box will come with drivers for video and whatever else came with it (CD)). Allow windows to finsh loading. Restart. Everything will now just run faster than before, it's that easy.
New Drive: if you want to have a bigger primary drive, use "ghost" or another drive copy utility to mirror your drive. Check jumpers on new drive are set as "cable select" (if you are indicating drives that way) or "Master". I do this once a month to have a duplicate drive for each terminal in case I lose a drive or a box/s gets stolen.
-------------------- Brian Crothers CR Signs 1790 C Tamarac St. Campbell River B.C. V9W 3M6 briancrothers@crsigns.ca Posts: 82 | From: Campbell River B.C. Canada | Registered: Apr 2002
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if your buyin a new computer, from a shop that builds em, you can tell them what you want for an operating system. if you buy one off the shelf with XP then you can do a an fdisk/format then start with a clean load of win98se. ive always found this to be the best way to go. the os will set itself up to run with all the PNP on that computer. this way YOU DONT GET LOCKUPS dave(hehehe) or crashes.....i got this machine loaded with 98A and it runs all day long every day....cutting from corel 7.467(the most stable version ever made)and i use NORTON UTILITIES, run speed disk once a week, dump my temp files, and clean out the internet temp files. the wifes computer is runnin 98Se...and i got corel 8 on it....no problems other then corel 8 itself.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Ive got a pc at home that has Windows XP, and I have these programs on it: Illustrator 8, Photoshop 6, Streamline 4, Macromedia Flash 4, Dreamweaver 3 and Fireworks 3, and all these are running problem free. IF I remember right, I had to download updates for my HP printer and scanner, and after that, they both worked fine.
-------------------- Maker of fine signs and other creative stuff. Located at 109 N. Cumberland ave. Harlan, Ky. 40831 606-837-0242 Posts: 4172 | From: Ages-Brookside, Ky. Up the Holler... | Registered: Jul 1999
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I am currently running Win2K Pro with a Compaq EVO6000 Dual 2gig Xeon processors. The software I use it Omega, Adobe Illustrator 8, Photoshop 5 and Corel 8. Have not had a single problem. MAtter of fact Omega loads in 2.5 seconds.
-------------------- Marvin Miller A Sign of Class Sterling, VA Posts: 7 | From: Virginia | Registered: Nov 2001
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I want to take a minute, and thank everyone who took the time to answer my questions regarding moving files, programs, etc.
Looking back, my first 'puter did crash, and the guru and I never figured out why. It ran Win 3.1 and right up to the last, it worked fine. Anyway, he built my present unit starting with a so-called "bare-bones" tower, put in a larger (for the time) HD and used the Ghost utility to transfer the whole works. At the time, Win 98 had just come out. About the only thing I've added since was a RAM upgrade to 384 Meg. That's all the motherboard will hold.
This 'puter works just fine, so there is no real need to get a new one. The other thing is that if I did go new with a later OS installed, I would be concerned about whether Signlab5 would work on it.
Anyway, thanks again, one and all.
-------------------- Bill Preston Fly Creek, N.Y. USA Posts: 943 | From: Fly Creek, N.Y. USA | Registered: Jan 2000
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I'm running win 2000 pro at home, and win XP pro at the office, both machines have Corel 8,9, Photoshop 6, Illustrator 10, office 2000, and not one corel related problem so far. From our experience the Win 2k, and XP systems are FAR MORE reliable than 98SE. I'd NEVER go back to 98. I do say that if your system is working and your happy then don't worry about upgrading yet.
Now that I have the new mac.... hehe.. I've never been happier........
-------------------- Jeff Bailey Rapid Tac Inc. Grants Pass, Oregon Posts: 231 | From: Grants Pass, Oregon, USA | Registered: Feb 2001
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I have CorelDraw 9, Vinyl Express Master and a Vinyl Express Ultra Pro cutter. I still am afraid to get XP because I worry about the driver and those two programs working. I bought 98 SE the other day new in the box just in case I needed it one day. I have had friends who had lots of not so old stuff not work correctly with XP. To be honest, before I myself would go buying all new software to go Windows XP, I would switch to a Macintosh. I really like Macs for their reliability and I just don't trust Mr. Gates stuff. I always tell folks this about Macs, go into a $50,000-$100,000 digital recording studio or one of the big video production houses and you won't see a Windows based pc, everything is MAC, must mean something.
-------------------- John Thompson JTT Graphics "The big guy with a little sign shop!" Royston/Hartwell Georgia jtt101@hotmail.com Posts: 626 | From: Royston Georgia | Registered: Feb 2002
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I have found it useful on MS Office 97 under XP and a couple of lesser known software titles. HTH, David
-------------------- David Fisher D.A. & P.M. Fisher Services Brisbane Australia da_pmf@yahoo.com Trying out a new tag: "Parents are the bones on which children cut their teeth Peter Ustinov Posts: 1450 | From: Brisbane Queensland Australia | Registered: Nov 1998
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