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Wayne, try to get to an auto paint supply place, and see if they have a hi-temp enamel reducer on hand. Regular or acrylic reducer-----not the stuff for urethanes. Where you are, that one is the one that should work best.
Have never cared for mineral spirits--I feel it weakens, or takes the "guts" out of paint, and is best for clean-up.
Linseed oil is OK up to a point, but too much and it retards drying time way too much.
Naptha I don't know anything about.
One other thing I like to do, is add a few drops of Penetrol per one-half ounce of lettering paint. It helps with the flow when brushing, and for whatever reason seems to help with coverage. Mix your paint, penetrol, add reducer as needed, letter----- but do not return paint with additives to the original can. You will end up with a can of "Jello".
Hope this helps.
[ August 01, 2002, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: Bill Preston ]
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Boy,Wayne---you sure know how to throw somebody (me) a curve ball.
I guess the short answer would be "Yes" you can gild over it. The unasked question is--are you using your lettering paint as a sizing for gold? For that I'd say a qualified "maybe". If you are gilding over paint, let it get to tack, and gild. Keep in mind that the window to gild will probably be fairly short, about the same as quick size.
If you paint first, then size, I would wait a day or two for the paint to really set up before sizing. Then use your fast, or slow, whatever you think best for the job you're doing. I would also assume you are putting down one or the other of the yellows as an undercoat for the gold. Any other color would not IMHO make much sense.
Hope this is of some help, and have fun with your project.
-------------------- Bill Preston Fly Creek, N.Y. USA Posts: 943 | From: Fly Creek, N.Y. USA | Registered: Jan 2000
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Thanks Bill, I will be using 134 chrome yellow and then sizing over that with slow size. I intend to mix a drop or two or three of imitation gold into the size. Those are the only two colors that I have right now except some reflex blue. If just had some Fire Red, some White and Black I could mix almost any color I needed.
Anyway, I hope to get a coat of Oneshot on today and another tomorrow so I can size late Saturday. I want to be able to gild on Monday. Thanks a million.
[ August 01, 2002, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: Wayne Webb ]
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most applications...you can thin with mineral spirits. now you can use almost anything to thin with....ive used only PENATROL, AUTOMOTIVE ENAMEL REDUCE, AUTOMOTIVE ACYRLIC ENAMEL REDUCER,(drys to quick most of the time)LACQURE REDUCER(when its cold this works well,) but only a little at a time ...do not shock the one shot or it will turn to jello. also i use dupont lacqure retarder....also for cold weather painting. si used unleaded gas.....one shot is versitile!!!!!!and for giving.....
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Bill, Joe, where's the best place to get that Penetrol? I've checked with the parts stores and local paint stores. All that I've found so far is some Sherwin Williams stuff called "Ultra-Solv". Thanks
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Sorry to be so long getting back to you. Had to go to my suppliers place in Utica, for vinyl, etc.
Penetrol can be found most anywhere that sells house paint. Runs about $8/ quart. It tends to thicken up to some extent if exposed to sub-freezing temps, and it doesn't seem to thin out when re-warmed. Add a bit of reducer, and it seems to work fine.
I would argue against Joe's idea of using unleaded gas, or lacquer thinner in One-Shot. It may work in the short run, but, I think it kills durability in the long run. LT is made for lacquer, and One-Shot is enamel-----different animal altogether. I have heard of LT being used to thin 1 shot for airbrushing, but again, I think durability is going to take a hit.
FWIW
-------------------- Bill Preston Fly Creek, N.Y. USA Posts: 943 | From: Fly Creek, N.Y. USA | Registered: Jan 2000
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Hey Wayne, Home Depot usually carries Penetrol in their paint dept.
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Same thing here but dadgum if when there ain't jack dookie in your own town if you don't get used to driving a lot. Thank you god for Aluma-Panel, those guys delivery route runs right by my front door, if it weren't for them, I'd be doomed!!!!! Have a gudin' Wayne and don't sniff too much of that one shot.
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bill...i said SI(SI ALLEN)uses unleaded gas....i dont like the smell of it ...all the time...
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I agree with Nettie"Turpentine" or "Turpenol" are Binders that seem to help flow/thinning in the NEW One Shot recipe sold today. Better LATE than NEVER Hope this helps
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Hey Janette, Can I mix turpentine AND Penetrol into my Oneshot? My first coat was 134 yellow (4 drops penetrol per ounce) and it is slick and shiney but there were slight brushmarks too. I'm trying to lay down a glass smooth surface (with a minimm of brushmarks) onto some raised letters on a sandblast sign. Thanks Wayne
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-------------------- Wayne Webb Webb Signworks Chipley, FL 850.638.9329 wayne@webbsignworks.com Posts: 7403 | From: Chipley,Florida,United States | Registered: Oct 1999
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why mix whatever the solvent, into your paint, when the project dictates what you want to achieve as far as smoothness?
Isn't 1-Shots 6002 very simular to 1-Shots old formular for Liqu-Seal as well as ChromaFlo?
Whether you use Penetrol, reducers or what have you, mixing any amount into the paint itself can adversly have an effect on the ability to last as well as what it is you are trying to achieve.
I find if one were to fix their sight on the first step, which is the original can the paint, and stirring it continually for at least 3 minutes after first shaking it, this gets the paint in ready form. Do you keep your paints in a cool dry place, or is it kept in the heat? During the summer months, its best to keep your paints where it is cooler, as the heat does funny things to your paints. Shaking and stirring for a good length of time is the ticket before putting it to use.
I find that any formular taken from another person as far as how much solvent to add to the paint is asking for trouble, and that another person may have a different substate in mind when adding whatever it is they add as well as what they are trying to achieve.
Adding Penetrol, 6002 or ChromaFlo into the paint itself is fine but adding too much makes it thinner, and though you may lose the brush strokes, you can also lose the pigment and binders. Adding 1-Shots hardener can also add to flow and longevity too.
What I am saying is that you can palette your brush with penetrol, 6002 or reducers well enough to get the feel of the brush without overthinning the paint alot better then adding it directly to the paint.
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I tried an experiment with 5 drops Penetrol and 6 drops turpentine to an ounce of Chrome yellow. The paint was pretty watery but it's tacking up mighty quick. I'm wanting it to level out as smooth as possible, Joey, cuz I'm gonna size and gild on it. Thanks
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