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I am in need of line art of the thumbs up design!
I was asked to do 3 large beer mugs with names of three room mates heading for Florida next week for vacation. I know I have seen it in my collection of clip art, but unable to locate it.
Your help is greatly appreciated.
SC - Cntrl Delaware
-------------------- Steve Carter {:{) a Touch of Glass 254 Lexington Mill Rd. Magnolia, DE, 19962 PH: 302-335-3170 Posts: 181 | From: Magnolia, De, USA - Center of the Universe | Registered: Jan 1999
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I would like to express my sincere appreciated for all the help and opinions from the members of this site.
I must admit after being here since 1999, I would hope that I could get more responses than zero!
Thanks for NOTHING!
-------------------- Steve Carter {:{) a Touch of Glass 254 Lexington Mill Rd. Magnolia, DE, 19962 PH: 302-335-3170 Posts: 181 | From: Magnolia, De, USA - Center of the Universe | Registered: Jan 1999
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Steve, maybe I have something you can use. I'll be out for an hour or so, but as soon as I get back, I'll get your email something and find out how to get in touch with you. A "thuumbs" up vectorized image, right? I can help.... be back soon.
-------------------- Pat Foley Foley Signs 35812 Wells Road Coarsegold CA 93614 foleys@sierratel.com (559) 642-6264 Posts: 73 | From: Coarsegold, CA | Registered: Jan 2002
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nice.....so if we cant help you with a "vague" piece of clip art...then we are of no use to you? did you think that maybe....its just posiable....THAT NO ONE HAS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR.....so no one replied???????????????????? do you have any version of COREL,(found a couple of hands, with a thumb,might be useable, with a little tweeking)PRINT ARTIST($49.00)found 4-5 you could use. ARTS & LETTERS EXPRESS 6.0, found 5-or 6 you could use......now if i can spend 10 mins of my time looking for what you might need...do you think you could/would purchase one of these programs to use in your daily work? ive had these programs since i started working with a computer......1992, and one thing ive learned....you can never have enough clipart!!!!! thank you for your support(from the bartels & james commercial)
[ August 02, 2002, 12:55 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hey, sometimes peoples POSTS "hit" and sometimes they "miss". Have you replied to every single post out there since 1999.....I know you haven't however, EVERYONE just got SLAMMED by you.
Thank YOU for nothing.
Frig, draw a hand, scan it, trace it, output it.......done.
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I was wondering how somebody could visit this board for 3 years and not know that fishing for clipart here is frowned on by the majority? I'm not flaming you or anybody else, just I thought it was common knowledge for anybody who frequents this board...which could be one reason for so little attention. I would imagine that a slew of folks didn't even click on your post because of the title. Only a guess.
Only reason I clicked on it was out of curiosity when I saw you got any responses.
Edited part----> Just came back to make sure you understood, I'm not blasting you...just offering an explanation of why you may not have had responses as fast as you'd like.
Maybe Steve should consider setting up a new page on this site just for trading copyrighted vector art.
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If you checked Don, the person has posted 31 times or so in 3 1/2 years....which there's nothing wrong with but, it makes me wonder if he only comes here for some freebies.
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Yeah 31 posts sure doesn't leave room for anyone to figure this guys been out there answering others requests very often in 3 years.
Since Don didn't blast you I will... pull your own thumb outta wherever it is stuck that's keeping you from drawing your own artwork.
Next time a business inquiry made at 9 pm isn't answered by midnight maybe I'll try making an a** out of myself in public & see if people want to help me more.
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doug, don, corry, let be nice now.....i figured id get flamed for suggesting he buy PRINT ARTIST!!!!!!!!!!!!
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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-------------------- Mario G. Lafreniere (Fergie) J&N Signs Winter did show up! Posts: 1257 | From: Chapleau, Ontario | Registered: Jun 1999
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By the way, you should shop for some clip art cds or join Art Today. There are over 100 clip arts listed under thumb. Good investment! Got me out of a bind on more than one occasion. If worse gets to worse draw one and scan....
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-------------------- Mario G. Lafreniere (Fergie) J&N Signs Winter did show up! Posts: 1257 | From: Chapleau, Ontario | Registered: Jun 1999
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why not go here and get some lines here. they have lots of it legal and free.. ***.beltonsigns.org.uk/xmb/index.php replace the stars with www
-------------------- Leaper of Tall buildings.. If you find my posts divisive or otherwise snarky please ignore them. If you do not know how then PM me about it and I will demonstrate. Posts: 5274 | From: Im a nowhere man | Registered: Jul 2001
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Hey, Doug Allan!... here's one for your post! This can also be turned 180 degrees clockwise for other purposes!
-------------------- Jeff Vrstal Main Street Signs 157 E. Main Street Evansville, WI 53536 1-608-882-0322 Posts: 670 | From: Evansville, Wisconsin | Registered: Sep 2001
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WOW. i just opend it in PSD, saved it as a tiff. opened it in streamline, converted it to a vector and now i have it . a vectored thumbs up..
30 seconds.. thanks dude..
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You know, I'm really feeling pretty stupid about right now. I don't know the rules. I paid my dues and just because I don't post doesn't mean I'm not in the background reading, but sometimes, yes, I'm too busy to even drop by. I don't post #1 because I don't feel I know enough to compete with all you pros; and #2; most of the time I'm afraid of getting my feelings hurt and then just going away... so USUALLY I keep my big mouth shut. Yes,I believe we should buy our clip art and fonts, for I'm sure, all the same reasons the majority of you believe that. I'm not crossing the line, I just moved it back a little. I was concerned about was "visitor", and did give that some thought, and since 1999?? I'm sorry for offending any one for offering this guy a "thumbs up". I was just trying to be nice and perhaps help someone in need. Anyway, I offered it early today, and got really busy and just got back to get his email and found much more! I usually don't say much, but ya'll got me on this one. I also really like my Print Artist 4.0 and only wish it would work without crashing my computer! I'll go back to reading now... so sorry I didn't know the rules. Maybe when people come to this site there should be a rule list, or guide or something? Just an idea............ Happy Friday! P
-------------------- Pat Foley Foley Signs 35812 Wells Road Coarsegold CA 93614 foleys@sierratel.com (559) 642-6264 Posts: 73 | From: Coarsegold, CA | Registered: Jan 2002
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pat...there is something seriously wrong with your computer...PA 4.0 minimum req. are 386x, 4 megs ram. you need to uninstall the present copy, delete all files in C:\WINDOW\TEMP, empty all TEMP INTERNET FILES,EMPTY RCYCLE BIN. then run norton SPEED DISK. shut down restart and reinstall PA 4.0. i have version 6.0(last of the good ones) and 8, but i dont like 8's clipart viewer.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hey Pat, I guess you are saying that you got email from folks here speaking out against helping out or something? I am sure no matter how many emails you got, there is a far greater number of people reading this thread who no nothing about whatever it is that was emailed to you.
I for one did not send you anything, but even though I was pretty quick to blast this atog guy, I got no problem what-so-ever with you helping out the guy. We don't need to know specifics about what you sent him, or even that you did. As far as anyone here knows you could have sent him your own hand created artwork. I am not above the ocassional sharing of a piece of clipart now & then, but have come to learn the possible consequences for this great site if copyrighted violations are carried out in full view of cyberspace. This is probably among the comments you were sent. These rules are on your own copyright CD anyway, & to put commentary about that on a huge web-site in no way means all will read it, in fact it probably is here somewhere.
I have given artwork & recieved artwork through this site (royalty free art, of course ) So I commend you on your helpful gesture. My remarks to the "touch of glass" character were based entirely on his crybaby second post, the clipart request was no big deal.
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-------------------- Bruce Bowers
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And, O.P. what a doll you are! Thanks! I guess you figured I would need ABC instructions and I certainly do! Your instructions are good and that I can do!!
And, as soon as daddy Bruce let's me come out of my room that's what I am gonna do!! I'm going to go play computer person and fix my PA!! Thanks! P That's a smile..... so can I come out now?
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Quite frankly, atog254, most of us here are way too busy to bust our butts doing your work for you. We don't care if your vacationing buddies have to drink beer from a plain cup, and as far as giving it a day and a half before you blasted us for not responding, let me remind you this is not the McDonald's Free Graphic Drive-Thru Window. Personally, I see Letterville as a distinct community with lots of quirky characters and a give-and-take style where you'll get more out when you put more in. I'm not a mega poster, but I'll always add an appropriate 2 cents if somebody else hasn't already provided an answer. With an average of 10 posts a year, you're not adding much, pal. It wouldn't hurt if you mailed a measley 50 bucks in to support the site either. Pat, I'm not sure what's transpired with your e-mail, but I think the clip-art question that Don referred to is sort of an "unwritten" rule that respects the original artist, and/or the time and money people have spent for their own collections of art. It may also be a sense that the person asking for the clip-art is either too lazy or too cheap to get it themselves.
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Dotn worry dude, ive gotten a few negative emails too. I gotta tell ya they go right where they belong.... in the dumper.. and ill keep on doing what i think is right iregardless of what a very few cyber bullies think or say..
love to all.. sharing is caring... our knowledge is our power...
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Reckon old dude musta got peeved or somthin' cause he sure ain't said nuthin else. My thoughts on clip-art are if you don't have something then you need to have it and KEEP it and spending time begging for it instead of doing a search or buying a set is SORRY. I have just about quit going to several other boards because of all of the BEGGING for fonts and clip-art going on. I haven't not been able to figure out something if I didn't have a piece of clip-art. I bougt Art Explosion 600,000 for $70 just for situations like the one old dude was in because even though you have ot edit the stuff to make it vinyl ready, at least you'll have almost everything you will ever need.
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-------------------- John Thompson JTT Graphics "The big guy with a little sign shop!" Royston/Hartwell Georgia jtt101@hotmail.com Posts: 626 | From: Royston Georgia | Registered: Feb 2002
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Actually Atog just used the Thumb Down emoticon on his second post
-------------------- Desire Rusovsky SDG Signs rue du Lac 24 1342 Le Pont Switzerland desire@sdgsigns.com http://www.sdgsigns.com Posts: 218 | From: Le Pont / Switzerland | Registered: Mar 2002
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Leave it to a Yankee from Deleware to get offened by the citizens of Letterville. BECAUSE... of an insecured need to impress the beer drinking friends. The lack of ability to draw. The un-willingness to buy. Along with the nerve to represent ones self as being a professional sign maker. (sorry) just wanted to BUMP this one up!
-------------------- PKing is Pat King The Professor of SIGNOLOGY Posts: 3113 | From: Pompano Beach, FL. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Being a Yankee or from Delaware has nothing with just being rude. A butthead by any other name is still a butthead. I can't imagine why he wasn't able to find one in a clip art collection. Oh, that's right... he wanted a freebie.
Aren't you glad, Pat, that we have the ability and resourses to be somewhat self-reliant? I mean, you and I never ask for anything, do we?
Dana and I hope you and Bobby are well... even if they just don't listen.... LOL!
Have a great one!
-------------------- Bruce Bowers
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e-mail me if ya still need it,to me its a peice of clipart,some of these people really get off when someone asks for a little help.Like a pack of wolves waiting for someone to ask the clipart question!They should not reply at all if they dont agree with the post not treat someone like they asked for a kidney!!!Nobody has time to vectorize one for ya but they sure have alot of time to flame people for simple mistakes.Too bad a couple people who jump on others, make people scared to post.Go ahead flame away, I DONT CARE!!!
-------------------- "I can draw anything but unemployment" Steve Spiry Madd Artist Murals&Signs Brandon,Mb. Canada Posts: 66 | From: Brandon,Mb. Canada | Registered: Jul 2001
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-------------------- Mario G. Lafreniere (Fergie) J&N Signs Winter did show up! Posts: 1257 | From: Chapleau, Ontario | Registered: Jun 1999
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It isn't the clip art request that offended me, although I still think it is wrong to ask. It is the manner that he responded when people failed to jump through hoops to his request.
As far as people waiting like wolves to jump on people, you are guilty of it, too. A little like the pot calling the kettle black, eh?
Have a great one!
-------------------- Bruce Bowers
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Now I heard it all, I try to help people all the time. Maybe u never ask for anything cause yer well off but some of us are struggling everyday.I dont wanna get started with argueing cause last time u sent yer wife Dana after me.I'm sorry but it really bugs me when u brag about never having to beg for nothin and to call the guy a butthead for getting frustated,and by yer signiture u say yer a man of god?Now give it a rest or go ahead flame somemore if ya want.Just don't get Dana after me.
-------------------- "I can draw anything but unemployment" Steve Spiry Madd Artist Murals&Signs Brandon,Mb. Canada Posts: 66 | From: Brandon,Mb. Canada | Registered: Jul 2001
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I agree with Bruce here. The clip-art question is always a difficult subject here. Some may respond with a personal e-mail including the actual or similar clip art, some might include suggestions for where the art can be located, some may ignore the post and others will flame you. I guess this is to be expected when asking for what seems to be a very simple piece of ready to cut art. For some others, it may not be so simple. There are some of us that have no confidence or maybe time to pick up a pencil and sketch the art, refine it, scan it, refine it again and convert it to a cut file.
Sometimes posts DO just get missed.
The second response was short and to the point. It was also like throwing gasoline on a fire. What did he expect would happen? Perhaps another way to approach this would be to ask again - bump it up? Or maybe if he felt this way he could have just let it go and tried again another time.
I posted the thumbs up picture because this just seemed funny at the time. I stuck my hand in the scanner and there you go. Took maybe 5 minutes to scan, upload to the web and then post here.
I encourage this guy to stay with the BB and try it again. We all sometimes get off on the wrong foot. Maybe this guy DOES have something to offer to the rest of us... or maybe he's just a guy with a short fuse - ready to blow.
We'll see how he handles it, so far I've seen nothing.
I've gotten more out of friends who tell me like it is... if I'm acting like a jerk or an a-hole than people who feel they are too polite to let me know I'm in the wrong. Hey, I might feel kind of ticked for a while but then I figure it out and things get better. Good Luck.
-------------------- Jeff Vrstal Main Street Signs 157 E. Main Street Evansville, WI 53536 1-608-882-0322 Posts: 670 | From: Evansville, Wisconsin | Registered: Sep 2001
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This has in no way hit bottom yet,you gotta wait till they leave forever and come right back for that to happen
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Still not too late to crawl out of the gutter. Shall we try?
I often think some people believe Letterville is just another sign industry. Letterville is a community of Letterheads, and Letterheads are not your general, everyday signmakers. Our goal is to preserve the best of our craft's history by exchanging information and fellowship at live meets held around the Globe.
There is a very successful contractor that I know. He has developed communities all around our area. He's a wonderful builder.
His greatest passion is getting together with others like himself on weekends to build structures the way they did in the old days. Last year these CarpenterHeads built a bridge without using any nails or screws. All the joints are hand crafted and the way everything fits together is a work of art.
Letterheads are much the same. Most have the latest computer technologies and other tools, but I know many of us oldtimers, myself included, miss the way we did things in the past. It was a slower, more hands on time.
Truth is, a signman was a very special person not so long ago. We all have a basic, human need to feel special. For many of us, investing years in learning a trade that few could not or would not pay the price to learn gave us a feeling of satisfation and selfworth. It wasn't unusual for a crowd to gather around a sign painter at work, and don't let anyone tell you we didn't love their attention and all the dumb questions.
We live in a different time today. Technology has increased our production, but in the process, we have lost something. It's sad, but to most of today's public, pushing buttons on a computer is nothing special. I'm sure some of you must feel like performers who have lost their audience.
So along comes Steve with his request for artwork. It's not a registered trademark he is after or any other copywritten material. His request seems to be well within the Laws Of Letterville. So why do these requests always seem to generate such a negative response and what can we do to reduce the number of times we rehash this issue?
Much of the answer is doing a better job of educating new users on what Letterville is all about. I hope I've started that process with some of my comments above. Some of us have become grumpy old men, ready to pounce on anyone that does not understand or respect our way. Could we be a little more tolerant?
At the end of the day, Letterville is not going to appeal to everyone. It was never our goal to develop a website that would attract all aspects of today's sign industry. Letterville has always been, and will always remain, devoted to our understanding of this thing called The Letterhead Movement. We're proud of where we came from and very vigilant of where we are headed together as a group.
To those who brand us snobs and/or elitists, I offer no apologies. I know of no other group more willing to embrass those who sincerely love what they do and want to discover just how good they can become. As with any worthwhile quest, there is a price to be paid. You are going to have to invest some time and money attending live meets and purchasing your own tools.
I've got carried away as usual. I hope someone has the image Steve wants and sends it along without all the lectures. Letterville has no plans to get into the image trading business. It's just not our main focus. If you are coming to Letterville just to request clipart, I really feel you are missing the big picture. You'll probally have more luck using the sign websites devoted to exchanging clipart.
BTW! Have you seen all the great clipart on the Auction? Letterheads are getting some great bargains. Take a look for yourself!
quote:So along comes Steve with his request for artwork. It's not a registered trademark he is after or any other copywritten material. His request seems to be well within the Laws Of Letterville.
Steve Shortreed, how is it that this is automatically a legitimate request. Can I give away art from my Roland mega collection? or maybe my Corel Draw clipart? or how about my Broderbund CLICKart? Maybe I could find something in the Designer CD I got from Victor? Well it may not be the Harley davidson logo or Mickey Mouse that ATOG wants, but according to the terms of use on all my clipart cd's they are for my use & not for distributing on the internet to anyone lurking with their hand out in Letterville.
quote:So why do these requests always seem to generate such a negative response
I am all for keeping threads out of the gutter, but mis-placed blame is not my idea of the way to facilitate that. Lets look again at where the "negative responses" began
quote: I must admit after being here since 1999, I would hope that I could get more responses than zero!
Thanks for NOTHING!
The only other gutter trolling inflamatory remarks that were not a justifiable reply to the original posters comments were by the only other Steve on this thread, besides Atog.
& you of course, Mr. respected Mayor, so maybe you have a slight bias , but I respectfully have to disagree with your defense of the request, & judgement of the responses. How about the request for the creepy skull "right away" which came about at the same time? That guy was taken care of quickly without negativity. I happened to locate a specific setion of Rolands VectorArt site to direct the guy to as I know that individual artwork can be bought for immediate download. Others sent art direct. I know the guy sent me a personal thank you, so I'm sure he showed the same respect to others.
Anyway I agree clipart threads blowing up into fireworks are getting old already, & I'm still one of the relative newbies here, but this time the fault, IMHO, lies squarely on Atog's shoulders.
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per the mayor...... "Some of us have become grumpy old men, ready to pounce on anyone that does not understand or respect our way. Could we be a little more tolerant"
I agree with you Mr. Mayor completely. I've noticed that some folks here don't post much at all until they see an opportunity to "jump all over" someone and then they become relentless in stating their "personal" opinion.
As I have posted earlier...I have never been to a Letterhead Meet, but plan to go to the swamp next month.
To wit...if folks here act the way they have concerning this post without even knowing the guy, how will they react to someone new that they do not know when meeting them "in person". Will they me as rude and unhelpful to them as well.
I admit the guy did show his frustration in his second post but face it.....it IS sometimes hard to figure why posts that DO involve the sign trade get very little response while posts commenting about such token things as the "weather" get many replies.
And finally in regards to the clipart issue. Everybody don't take it so personally.
We ALL have clipart we did not legitimately obtain whether we wish to admit it or not. Maybe it's some a friend lent us when we were in a jam. but we ALL have some. Let's not be so quick to "call the kettle black".
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Stan, I disagree, we don't all have clipart we didn't pay for. I have to disagree with the mayor also, this has nothing to do with grumpiness, at least on the respondents part. Everyone of us has needs like this everyweek and we usually purchase clipart, digitize or draw it. Now if this board is about anything, it is showing this gentlemen how to do one of those actions. Heck, Jeffrey's scan of his hand is a good starting point for a simple how to. Wouldn't take long to turn that into a good b/w vector. The only consistent negative responses on this board, don't seem to me to be from the "wolves" but the whiners.
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just wanted to BUMP this one up!
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