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I am doing a motorcycle tank. The lettering is to be gold. I have cut a frisket for the lettering. It is rather small to be rolling on size. Anyone ever airbrush gold size? Do I need to thin? Drying time change? To small to do the "knuckle Squeek" to check for right time.
Any help will be most appreciated.
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Jackson...no problem air brushing the size, shouldn't have to thin, but if conditions require it...use very little thinner. Knuckle test is easy if you spray a patch on a piece of aluminum ! Post some pics when you are done!
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Of course you can spray gold size. Thin lightly and spray away. Watch spraying on too much as it will collect in the mask. Spray and peel shortly afterwards.
As far as the "sqeak" panel goes... I would do a seperate panel off to the side for this. We do this when we do carved panels so we don't have to keep sticking our fingers in the letters.
Have a great one!
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I need to be "real sure" when I do this, as it is directly on the artwork. The paint is acrylic...I am real comfortable with it. If i screw this up...I have to start over...
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Jackson, I've never sprayed gold size, and rarely even thinned it out for that matter. Works best for me right out of the can with a BRUSH. Because it dries so slow, brush strokes are not going to be an issue, it will flow out like glass regardless of how you apply it. Thin with turps or spirits I suppose. (I always add a small drop of color too so I can see what I'm painting).
More of an issue will be containing or controlling gold getting where you don't want it. If you leave that frisket on till the size sets you can use it as a trap. BUT - it will leave a raised ridge all around the edge, that can tear ragged or be fragile after the mask is off. Removing the mask immediately after the size is applied will leave a much softer edge, but will leave all your backgrounds exposed for gold to stick where you don't want it. If the lettering is that small, cleanup could be a nightmare. The ideal way to solve both problems is to talc the background first and apply the size with a small quill. Nicely eased edges and no overstick. Sorry if I sound like I'm preaching, some might not know these things.
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I've never sprayed gold size, In situations like this I have dotted it in over the mask with a small brush or foam brush, being careful not to leave too much around the edges.
And yes, I believe you will need to peel the mask right away to keep the edge build up to a minimum.
I'm wondering why you are working directly onto artwork? Why not put down a barrier coat of urethane clear, which will be dry quickly, then lightly scuff the surface before masking for the leaf.
This will give you an insurance layer, and you can mess up the gold all you want without hurting the art. By scuffing the barrier coat, you lessen the chance of gold sticking to the background and once you are done gilding and outlining, it's ready for the final clear.
It seems this way is the safer route.
Good luck, Bruce
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I have airbrushed size before on small motorcycle graphics with no trouble, I would add a small drop of color just to show that you covered he area completely, peel the mask right away. When I do Gemini letters I spray them with an automotive detail gun, thin with OS low temp reducer. Just remember the thinner the layer of size the brighter your gild will be.
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I also have airbrushed it on using turps as a reducer and a little bit of One-Shot Imit. Gold for color. I have had excellent results in doing this. I have left mask on until after gilding as well. With the airbrush I recieved a minimum amount of build-up and a nice consistent gild.
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Jackson I just finished a job such as you described.You have some good answers here,...Just thought ya might want to know a couple more tricks if you intend to clear over your gilding with a normal clear coat for a proffessional looking finish. After gilding and turning I clear coat my gold before I outline or detail it,...For this I use a standard automotive clear mixed only with hardener and brushed on exactly where I want the gold to stay.No thinners,..no activators or reactive thinners equals no bad reactions,... if your size has cured and your gold doesn't have any holidays or big pinholes.Takes this coat about 30 to 45 minutes to cure good enuff to permanantly seal any gold ya want to stay. After this has dried I take rapid prep and clean off any of the flapogwco(see Ken McTague response to Joe Rees gold question post)with surgical cotton.The clear protects your gild and burnish so you can clean with quite abit of force around the edges of the clear and not worry about anything cleared underneath it once it is cleared. It also protects the gild so that you no longer have to worry about touching the gild during the outline/detail process.Once outlining and detailing with one shot and hardener and or hok lettering color has cured,...I reclear the whole area with the same clear/hardener mixture(new batch,this stuff sets up fast).Let this cure overnite and carefully(very very carefully) wet sand with 1000 grit wet and dry or comparable grit scotchbrite pad and clear as you would a normal base clear coat finish.Here are some pics of a bike I did last week,....
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Thanks everyone for your most excellent replies. I have done jobs like this before...however, the lettering has been somewhat bigger. I just now sprayed the size on and am waiting for the proper tack. I realize now that I should have cleared over the artwork before laying the mask...but...I didn't. So now, I must make a real good intention that everything works out fine. If not...Oh-well, back to the drawing board, as they say!
also...I am not going to outline the lettering...too damn small to deal with.
Also I am a type "A" personality...jump right on in and go for it. I will post some pics when it is done.
Timi...beautiful job on the scoot. I LOVE anything to do with Fire equipmment!!!
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Thanx Jackson,...I had several colors of gold on that badge and took a potatoe cut to the size of a french fry and or a lil sharper and went around the areas that I didn't want the excess gold to stick to get the extra colors of gold only in the places I wanted it.Then I used rapid prep to wash off the areas with any flapogwco with a q-tip before clearing it.
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Hahahaha! Tim some day I will get a piture of a flapogwco, they are amazing!
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Well...the universe is on my side today... The job is now complete from my end...now it goes to the clear coat stage.
I used a frisket for the copy. Then thinned the size with turps. Airbrushed it on the mask and waited. 2 hours and it was ready. The tack was perfect. Layed the leaf and removed the frisket. It was just as I had imagined it. Nice!
I will post some pics on the portfolio page as soon as I get time...but wait...Adrienne is moving here..I will ask her? She gets some good pictures and knows how to post.
Thanks again for all your help...and it DID help a lot!!!!
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