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I have been reading on this board for awhile and i dont see alot of artist doing alot of artistic work on banners ( a Few I have) I remember once reading online about a gentleman who is a fireman fulltime and on his sparetime creates master pieces with viynl on a banner. As i get ready to open my doors to my shop (just a lil thing in a small subarbs) I want to focas about 60% on banners and the creativity and the other 40%-45% on logos, designs, and other sign shop related services. I know and read that alot of ya's wont do a banner, ok, but if done right and is done with hte artistic ability and not the "fast and easy to get rich" way, can such a market make it?? And also is there any knowlegdeable material out there that specifically dwells on such a market. Like John Thompson has said in his topic on the board I am also self taught and any info would be highly appreciated!!
-------------------- Frank Weidman Waukegan, Il. Posts: 71 | From: Waukegan, Il. | Registered: May 2002
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Frank, I'm not sure what infos you're looking for, but I paint horses and buffalos and stuff on banners and usually work with one-shot on enamel receptive banners.It works well. It's ok to specialize into things that the vinyl shop around the corner can't do. I find it hard to make a dollar with this kind of work though because I spend more time on it than what I should My advice to starting out would be to ask high enough prices from the start, find ways to work fast and advertise with one of your artworks on your vehicle. Good luck, and don't forget to post some of that artwork for us...
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Frank...The only problem with going overboard on layouts on banners is that they are "percieved" to be low cost "temporary" alternatives to permanent signs. In most cases they ARE only expected to be temporary and therefore not really worthy of a big investment.
That being said, I HAVE sold some banners for big bux. But they were/are to large corporations who use them for sales conferences, trade shows etc. They are willing to pay the big bux because their pockets are deep and the banners are also fairly large. They are willing to spend the money because they know that their various subsiduary's logos will be reproduced EXACTLY. They know that when they forget, until Wednesday, to order the banner they need for Friday, that I will bust my butt to have that banner ready in time.
Personally, I would aim my marketing at LARGE companies. They are the ones who come back week after week and month after month. Don't feel that you can't get a foot in the door. The purchasing agent or whoever does the decision making about signage is human too and they often get frustrated with some aspect of the sign shops they are dealing with. In my case I landed two very large and profitable ongoing customers for that very reason. They were p****d off at their previous suppliers. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time.
[ June 04, 2002, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: Dave Grundy ]
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Dave, one more post and you'll hit 3000!!!!!!!
-------------------- John Thompson JTT Graphics "The big guy with a little sign shop!" Royston/Hartwell Georgia jtt101@hotmail.com Posts: 626 | From: Royston Georgia | Registered: Feb 2002
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And Frank FOCUS on your grammar(not grandma)and spelling, that might help just kiddn.
-------------------- Drane Signs Sunshine Coast Nambour, Qld. dranesigns@bigpond.com Downunder "To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer" Posts: 965 | From: Nambour, Qld. Australia | Registered: Nov 1998
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Thanks for nthe replies guys, and David my wife tells me the same, my vocabulary consist of "uh'uh, uh?, and yep. By the way the man that inspired me to see a banner as a blank canvase was John Tramp Warner, a fellow letterhead.
-------------------- Frank Weidman Waukegan, Il. Posts: 71 | From: Waukegan, Il. | Registered: May 2002
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frank..in the GOOD OLD DAYS...before computers....most banners were the same stuff as your oil painting canvas....yep banners came off same roll. and we used to paint on these with one shot....look at your carnivals....the sideshow graphics....were all done on banner canvas....
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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To add to what Joe said... This is how ALL the "Masters" painted The only difference is that some are STRETCHED over wooden frames,while others have metal grommets inserted around the edges! Bringing Dave and Lotti's points out of payment. ie Art cost more,Signs make the customer more money. Art is to be viewed Signs are to be read Your upcoming venture should be determined by profitablity or marketability
hope this helps
-------------------- PKing is Pat King The Professor of SIGNOLOGY Posts: 3113 | From: Pompano Beach, FL. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hi Frank; I love doing banners because they present a unique challange.I find the easiest way to lay-out is to use panels,triangles and circles.I to have met Tramp Warner and had the pleasure of sitting in on his pinstriping seminar.Don't let banners intimidate you-the more you do the easier they get.I do banners up to 40ft.and if you want to open a market go to the schools in your neighborhood,large companys and sports teams.Good luck-Randy
-------------------- Randall Campbell Randy's Graphics, 420 Fairfield N. Hamilton Ontario Canada Posts: 2857 | From: Hamilton Ontario Canada | Registered: Jan 2002
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