i finished painting some color bars on the exterior of a window. I used 1-shot, and just a few drops of Penetrol. Paint was applied with a 3" ShurLine (soft white) roller. I rolled down a base coat, then added a quick second coat by dabbing the roller in some other colors and rolling it on to get a "marble" effect. the paint went on over paint mask vinyl letters.
I peeled off the mask right away (about 10 minutes after the color rolled on). the mask peeled off cleanly, and the marble color looks great, but the paint has a noticable "orange peel" texture. i kind of like it, and the customer didn't object. it looks like a special finish. (i told the customer -- "oh good, the texture came out just right!" ).
my question is, how do i get a smooth finish? more Penetrol?
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No answer to your question Scooter but I love yer comment..."oh good, the texture came out just right!" good attitude!!!!!!!! Thumbs up!
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I think some degree of orange peel is gonna show up no matter what you do when using any kind of foam roller. That Shurline is foam, isn't it?
Don't think more Penetrol, or any other additives are called for. Especially don't add linseed oil, 'cause you will be in for a long wait for it to dry.
Funny part is that had you done that on the inside of the glass (clear glass--untinted) you would have seen a flat, almost matte finish to the paint.
Bottom line--not to worry.
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Scooter this is just a guess....but since orange peel is a flow problem and you rolled it on using a mask and added a "quick" second coat it may have been too much too soon and the mask was just enough to restrict the flow and cause it to orange peel. Penetrol would help but maybe a small amt of reducer would be a better option,but not so much as to make it run all over the place if you know what i mean. Temperature of the glass(sunshine etc) could have been a factor as well. Just my .02
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Hi Scooter...There are several things that can help.
1 Choose the time of day you do the rolling ( the coolest part of the day is best)
2 Try to avoid direct sun while you are rolling.
3 Don't add anything to your paint (thinner...penetrol...) and use a fresh can of paint.
4 Avoid second coating when possible(Wrinkling usually occurs when second coating)...just spend the time it takes to "dress" the paint properly with the roller.
5 This is the most important of all...as you "dress" the paint with your roller always finish by starting at the top and roll downward to finish. Most people make the mistake of thinking "if I roll it up it won't sag"... wrongo...just the opposite is true...when you roll down the paint ends up where it should be... in the proper mil thickness and smooth as a Shortreeds butt.
6 When I roll on glass I roll it til I hear the paint "Hiss" as I roll it and quit as soon as I can after I hear it.(just before it "hairs")
All this takes a few times out to get good at it but hey thats what the customers are for(experimentation)
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[ May 16, 2002, 11:12 PM: Message edited by: Monte Jumper ]
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i do alot of window lettering and use the shurline even to letter big letter splashes with.
the masking that you have been doing is right on.i use some times on a stripe is 2" or 1" transfer tape to tape the edges.makes a clean line and easy to apply.
the penotrol slows the drying time and the thicker amount of paint you have appered to have used compounds the "orange peel" affect, also you may be haveing some drooping. the mohair nap of the roller will cause some texture. but cross hatching the base coat will smooth this out....oh yea i always use a pallet...old coraplast... to roll the paint out on firt to load the roller..it also leaves all those possible little hairs on the pallet and not on the glass work!
Also in my opion...don't thin the paint at all when you "cut and roll" your stencil,and remember that thiner paint sticks better(in a wet on wet application)to thicker paint, and give more time in between layer...to get the tack your looking for that special effect.
hope this helps...
chris
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to answer some questions, the windows were in the shade and the weather was about 65 degrees, and a bit windy. the paint was all 1-shot from new cans that i had mixed the day before into an empty container. (there was almost no airspace in the container, and so no skinning). i rolled the paint from a standard rolling tray (covered with transfer tape to make clean-up easy).
anybody else have any suggestions?
(oh, the paint covered very well -- from the inside of the store you can't see any thin spots. because i had done the marble technique, i didnt want to have to come and try "fix" any thin areas later.)
-------------------- :: Scooter Marriner :: :: Coyote Signs :: :: Oakland, CA :: :: still a beginner :: :: Posts: 1356 | From: Oakland (and San Francisco) | Registered: Mar 2001
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OK Monte, how smooth IS a Shortreeds butt and how do you know? Nevermind I don't wanna know (LOL)
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