Letterville Bull Board Letterville | Bull Board
 


 

Front Page
A Letterhead History
About Us
Become A Resident
Edit Your Database Info
Find A Letterhead

Letterville Merchants
Resident Downloads
Letterville BookShop
Future Live Meets
Past Meets
Step-By-Steps
Past Panel Swaps
Past SOTM
Letterhead Profiles
Business Cards
Become A Merchant

Click on the button
below to chat with other
Letterville users.

http://www.letterville.com/ubb/chaticon.gif

Steve & Barb Shortreed
144 Hill St., E.
Fergus, ON, Canada
N1M 1G9

Phone: 519-787-2892
Fax: 519-787-2673
Email: barb@letterville.com

Copyright ©1995-2008
The Letterhead Website

 

 

The Letterville BullBoard   
my profile login | search | faq | calendar | im | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» The Letterville BullBoard » Old Archives » giving it away...

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: giving it away...
Bruce Bowers
Resident


Member # 892

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Bruce Bowers   Email Bruce Bowers   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
hey all...

just some thoughts running through my head while pondering what ever happened to gordon johncock...

i read the editorial column in the latest issue of "sign business". i have always admired the writings of mardeen gordon in the past, but, this time she really hit the nail on the head.

i have read here on the bullboard,with great amusement,about the assorted rantings and ravings of beguiled signmakers going on and on about the designs that were "stolen" from them.

while this does do not take into account the actions of unscrupulous clients and signmakers with no sense of right or wrong, we, as a collective group, can trace the blame of this right back to ourselves.

i, for one, have been guilty of this myself. i can not tell the level of frustration, not to mention the rise in blood pressure, that happens when a sketch is used by another sign company or doesn't lead to a job.

mardeen's point about sign sketches not being stolen but being given away was direct and to the point. she scored big with the idea of no sketches being allowed to leave their shop without a deposit. i couldn't agree more.

my partner and i started this policy in our shop about 3 years ago. we do not allow any sketches to leave the shop without a deposit or signed contract. in fact, we don't do any sketches on prospectus anymore.

we feel that if a prospective client can not look at our portfolio and the samples we have in the shop and decide that we are more than capable of producing their sign, then shame on them. if the prices we have quoted are not acceptable, a sketch is not going to make the price of the job any more palletable.

how many times have you done a sketch and seen it done by someone else? how many times have you knocked yourself out on drawing only to have the job rejected? this kind of madness had to stop in our shop and we did.

far too many times, we, as a collective group, have undervalued the scopes of our abilities. sketches and ideas take time and, as my daddy used to say, time is money. if we give our sketches away, then why should the client place any value on them if we have not?

if anyone has not read this article yet, then i suggest that you do. i can't say that it opened our eyes to this because we came to this cnclusion on our own. however, i could not agree more with the points mardeen made.

have a great one!

------------------
Bruce Bowers
DrCAS
Signtech

"how great are His signs..."
Daniel 4:3

i am a proud supporter of this website!


Posts: 6464 | From: Saint Cloud, Minnesota | Registered: Jun 1999  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Pierre St.Marie
Visitor
Member # 1462

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Pierre St.Marie   Author's Homepage   Email Pierre St.Marie       Edit/Delete Post 
Yep........I agree, but we sometimes run into "Would you fax us a proof??" It's not easy to get around insulting them when a refusal to fax is a low keyed observation that they "might" take your artwork elsewhere. Actually I've told them on more than one occasion the the fax was out of commission.

------------------
St.Marie Graphics
& Makin' Tracks Sound Studio
Kalispell, Montana
stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com
800 735-8026
We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)



Posts: 4223 | From: Kalispell,Mt 59903 | Registered: Mar 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Bruce Bowers
Resident


Member # 892

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Bruce Bowers   Email Bruce Bowers   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
hey pierre...

we have no problem faxing a proof... right after we have a commitment on the part of the customer. we have a copyright notice and a date printed on the bottom of the sheet. not only that, but i print the word "print" right across the design just in case someone has the idea of using the artwork for later "projects". aint i a scumdog? hehehehehe...

have a great one

------------------
Bruce Bowers
DrCAS
Signtech

"how great are His signs..."
Daniel 4:3

i am a proud supporter of this website!


Posts: 6464 | From: Saint Cloud, Minnesota | Registered: Jun 1999  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Tim Whitcher
Visitor
Member # 685

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Tim Whitcher   Email Tim Whitcher       Edit/Delete Post 
You know, you may have something there. Last time I got a bid on having my house sided, the guy didn't provide a sketch.....

------------------
Tim Whitcher
Quality Signs & Design
107 E Adrian St
Blissfield, MI 49228
qualitysigns@cass.net


Posts: 1546 | From: Adrian, MI | Registered: Mar 1999  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brad Farha
Visitor
Member # 931

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brad Farha   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Farha   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
1st stage: A "sketch" generally refers to artwork for a potential contract.

2nd stage: "Designs" and "layouts" usually refer to artwork being produced on contract to gain approval for a finished rendering, or "proof."

3rd stage: A "proof" is for final artwork approval on a job already under contract, whether it be written or verbal.

Regardless whether you go through all three steps or get directly to the final stage, get the deposit before you provide anything to the client!

------------------
Brad Farha, owner
Farha Signs
Beckley, WV
304-252-3778

farhasigns@citynet.net


Posts: 981 | From: Beckley, WV | Registered: Jul 1999  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

   Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Letterville. A Community Of Letterheads & Pinheads!

Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.2

Search For Sign Supplies
Category:
 

                  

Letterhead Suppliers Around the World