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Amy's sign kit post prompted me to post this.
How long can you keep 1-Shot in a plastic bottle? the colors that i don't use very often seem to harden in the bottle. i'm guessing that the solvents migrate out somehow, and i've never managed to get in touch with "EZ-Pour".
i'm using some small (3 inch high, 2 oz) bottles i got at a beauty supply store. i've also used the pour bottles that Product Sign Supply sells, and i had the same problem. (My bottle of 1-shot reducer turned to jello during the month i was on vacation.)
yes, i keep the lids flipped closed, and i have the caps on as tight as i can get them.
somebody posted that he keeps them upside down -- is that the secret?
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Scooter, do you add the Paint-Sav? I have good luck keeping the smaller volume of 2-4 oz. That way I dont have to worry about the time. Little used colors don't go into plastic bottles. The most used colors get the bigger bottles.
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Hey Santo, no, i haven't used any "Paint-Save". i thought somebody told me not to use that, or maybe i'm confusing it with something else. Is that the silicone stuff? how much should i use, and how long should i expect to be able to store the paint if i do?
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Scooter, I've been using ez-pours for about fifteen years. I store them upside down. In all that time I've only had on bottle harden up to the point of being useless. It was medium green, a color I only use about once every five years or so, matter of fact I don't even carry it anymore. I would be willing to bet some of the bottles in my kit are from the original order. The seldom used colors will skim a little but it's not a big deal. Most bottles will go a couple of years before they need replacing. They have a habit of "drawing up" but if you leave them open in a warm invironment they regain their shape. I find the ez pours to be one of the best investments out there. I''ve been fooling with some automotive urethanes and have them in "beauty shop" bottles, these are gonna get replaced...real soon. You can expect 6000 reducer to jell up if it sits for any length of time, kinda unpredictable too as to when it does it.
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Scooter go Joey Madden's website to read up on the Paint-Sav and some other additives.
I went the beauty shop bottle route once and that was a double lose. The wife caught me stealing her bottles, and I buy her new ones and then buy my own.
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Scooter; pretty much a ditto of what George said, except that I've only been using them for 6 years not 15 . I don't think I've ever had one dry up solid on me. I also store mine upsidown.
Goerge; what flavor of urethanes are you using? I've been contemplating putting some of my HOC striping urethanes into EZ pours....but I havent yet. I think someone told me that they would explode, or something equally stupid. I dunno, I wasn't all there that day .
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thanks for the tips -- i'll give the EZ-Pour another (1-)shot.
the one thing i DID do was create a bent piece of wire that is clipped onto my paint can opener. the pointy end of the wire is the right diameter to poke the flip-top bottle spout if it gunks up. (my bottle of Penetrol kept gunking up and i got tired of looking for the right size nail).
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Scooter, the main reason some paint sucks in the plastic containers is because of enviromental change, cold, hot etc. Ask George where he leaves his paint and you'll understand why he doesn't have those problems, plus he continually uses most of them daily. Jonathan, I wouldn't put the HoK into EZ pour containers or any plastic, because their paint must be stirred and not shaken before usage.
If you are interested in what I use for HoK, its either a 1 or 2 ounce glass airbrush jar or the original 4 ounce container. My 1-Shot is kept in 2 and 4 ounce wide mouth containers with a thumb screw on the bottom for both easy pouring and easy filling.
Hope this helps
check out my website for more tricks of how to make it last.
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Scooter, my paint kit stays in the back of my truck 24/7 365. Temps here will range from single digit to triple digit. If it's too cold for the paint to pour out, I stick it under some heat . Johnathon, the urethane I've got in the plastic bottle is a single stage PPG. My HOK is still in the cans. I've been playing around with both of them trying to decide which one to go to for my striping. They both have strong points and weak points. This post has just made me aware of the fact that I have been using the PPG a whole lot more, not because it works better ( in most cases it doesn't ) but because it's in the bottles and it's way more convienent. Joey, the only colors in HOK I ever see that need stirring are the gold and silver. I'm gonna try some HOK in ez pours to even up the playing field.
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hey Joey, i don't understand about the "wide mouth bottles with the thumbscrew on the bottom". do you have a picture of one?
also, i went to Sid Moses' web site, and saw a picture of a "real" ez-pour bottle. the ones i'm getting from Product Sign Supply aren't those -- (they don't have the "EZ-Pour" name screen printed on the bottle).
as for the bottles sucking in... my paint and my bottles are both stored in my shop, which (since its a basement) maintains a pretty even temperature of about 61 degrees and 50 humidity. i'll try storing upside down and see if that cures the problem.
i was also thinking of getting some of those small round "kit cans" (4 oz metal bottles) that Dick Blick sells to store my 1-shot reducer. do you think that would work?
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About plastic bottles! Once apon a time a slick sign dude was going to start a side line with plastic bottles in two sizes. Found a perfect wide spout bottle cap flip top 1/4" hole. My problem with ez-pours were the holes plugged up. I too stored them up side down. the skin forms on the bottom of the paint, first time they are turned top down cutting down on the space for air in the bottle. Being slick I found the perfect bottle in the honey section of the store. Called a bottle maker that makes most of the honey bottles used in the USA. found out more then I wanted to know about bottles, caps and thread sizes. ordered 1000, 8 ounce bottles with caps. The first thing I learned on my own was that an 8 ounce honey bottle holds only 4 ounces of liquid. So I called back and ordered 1000, 12 ounce honey bottles with caps. Don't ask me what the difference in liquid holding is why it isn't the same for both sixed bottles. That is something for a professor of honeyology to explain. The second thing I learned was that the liner seal in the lids was a one shot tamper proof type seal. And being of a thin polyfoam reacted poorly with the paint. with out the liners the bottles still sealed well. after filling all bottles with all the colors from my 1 shot cans and tossing the cans I started the feild testing. They worked great, for about 16 months. Figure I had all but 6 colors of 1 shot in a crate in bottles all truned up side down. On a rolling crate at my work place. As things happen, Friday when I left everything was fine. On returning on Monday I found I had a very nice rainbow swirl paint job on the floor of the place. First thought was some smart ass had played a joke. After checking the bottles I found that the flip lids would no longer snap shut and stay shut. Another call to the bottle company and a talk with a tech geek. I was told that the solvents in the oil based paint made the plug in the flip lid shrink over time because the plugs were hollow centers and not solid. Then was informed that the side walls and bottom would become soft sometimes and cave in. this depends on the type of plastic mix used. He also informed me that the plastic bottles used for oil auto products and most beauty products have a thin layer inside the bottle to prevent the inter-action of product and bottle. Bottles for beauty products would be the best and PVC clear bottles would be next in line. But they too after a time might suffer from the collapsed sides. They do work well with water based paints and for a number of uses. since they can't be sold for thier intended purpose. It also explains why the ez-pour bottles use the small solid flip lid. and why some paints reacts in the bottoles and some doesn't depends on if the plastic for the bottle was mixed properly and on how hot the solvents in the paint are and if they aren't mixed enough or they are seprating out. So heads that is my tale of the would be paint bottle tycoon. After all is said it worked out quite well for the local art and primary grades classes at the school as they have all the bottles they can use. And I and my hiers will have lifetimes of honey bottles only it is real hard to get the bees to stand still long enough to milk them for the honey!
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Yup PT, thats why glass is best! But on the other hand, I buy 2,3,and 4 ounce containers from a medical manufacturer which work well for 1-Shot as in the photo Adrienne shows above. These plastic bottles work well in most colors and not in a few. But then again, I go through paint bi-weekly so it does not show as bad because I did my homework and ordered samples which I tested for almost a year. I stand behind my replies 110%.
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Joey, of the original 13 bottle I got from you, 8 are still in use. I dropped the wone I stored the marbles in on a hard floor and it crackedweight of the marbles). I knocked another with paint off a high shelf and it cracked but did not shatter and I let paint sit on the rim of the others and could not open the top without breaking the container. 2 years not bad.
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