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I lettered my shop landlords boat last year. Custom painted on vinyl, applied, then cleared with Pelucid. He says the side that gets alot of sun is starting to peel. Any tried and true methods-adhesives to repair slightly peeling vinyl? It would be expensive to just replace that side due to the artwork involved. Thanks
-------------------- Rob Thomas 3410 Ketcham Ct Beautiful Springs FL 34134 Posts: 965 | From: Bonita Springs, Florida USA | Registered: Feb 2000
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shoulda painted the whole thing on the boat...no vinyl....3m auto emblem glue....works great..a little on a q-tip...all done
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Don't be sorry. Stephen. You're wrong. Pelucid stays permanently elastic. If the adhesive bond of the film fails, so will anything on top of it. It doesn't "tighten" the surface it's on. The described application is a very common one for us. The Pelucid can't "pull the film back" at all. The problem is his initial application.
-------------------- Pierre St.Marie Stmariegraphics Kalispell,Mt www.stmariegraphics.com ------------------ Plan on knowing everything before I die and time's running out! Posts: 4223 | From: Kalispell,Mt 59903 | Registered: Mar 2000
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Another possibility-- if you cut the vinyl before you sprayed it, and you are using enamel paint, solvents in the paint can migrate through the cut and weaken the adhesive at the edges (even more likely to happen if you have thinned it for spraying). It is impossible to tell this has happened until the edges begin to separate from the substrate at some later date. If you use a vinyl primer such as One Shot that requires pre-etching with lacquer thinner, always wipe the vinyl before cutting.
-------------------- Jay Nichols ALPHABET SOUP
~the large print giveth and the small print taketh away~ Posts: 176 | From: SW Florida | Registered: Mar 2002
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I lettered a boat last year that had a gel coat that was less than showroom condition. when I lettered it the vinyl stayed but under use came off very easy.
It was nothing more than a bad prep. Now all that means is I didn't know enough about gel coat to see that the gel-coat had oxydized way too much.
That might be a reason why, but hopefully someone knows enough about gel-coat and can butt in here.
-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
"Life is Like an Echo, what you put out, comes back to you." Posts: 5149 | From: Millbury, Mass. U.S. | Registered: Nov 1998
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what type of paint did you use for the custom painting? I would like to find a fix for this problem too. ive seen the edges of vinyl curl up a bit using automotive ureathane basecoat with a laquer clear, but not an enamel based clear. the laquer seems to be the culprit as it has harsher solvents I'm sure.
How to fix it? I dont know the best way, but i've used clear ureathane with hardner, brushed it on the edges and rolled the edges down when it starts to dry. It worked when applied, but i dont know if it held up, was done about a year ago. Dang, i hate experimentin, but dont know any other way.
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O.K. Here is more information. I used a 5 year vinyl, scuffed with a 3M pad, sprayed with Krylon as a base coat, then used One Shot for the other colors. It's a graphic of a dolfin, handcut after spraying with Krylon. I used RT II to apply it. I've used Pelucid on vinyl before with no problems. Used it here to increace durability, also when I painted the Pelucid, I over lapped the graphic a bit. The boat was pretty new and I used a wax remover and washed the area also. I think it might be the Krylon causing the problem.
-------------------- Rob Thomas 3410 Ketcham Ct Beautiful Springs FL 34134 Posts: 965 | From: Bonita Springs, Florida USA | Registered: Feb 2000
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OR, the "wax remover" some of them (solvent base/petrolium)will bite in to paint or gelcoat,only to return to the surface(outgas)after you have applied vinyl or paint !!
This may not ALWAYS happen, but the "stage is set" when you combine "interactive components/products", and sometimes(with the right conditions/temp./humidity,cure time) you will have a problem !
I could be wrong
Roger
-------------------- Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated 186 Combs Dr. Merlin Oregon 97532 Posts: 3020 | From: Merlin Oregon | Registered: Dec 1998
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A "5 Year" vinyl? It wouldn't happened to have been a calendared vinyl would it? If so, I know what your problem is, the cause, and how to fix it.
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I've only known Roger to be wrong ONE time. That's when he was right and thought he was wrong.
heh
-------------------- Pierre St.Marie Stmariegraphics Kalispell,Mt www.stmariegraphics.com ------------------ Plan on knowing everything before I die and time's running out! Posts: 4223 | From: Kalispell,Mt 59903 | Registered: Mar 2000
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