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I started out polishing hubcaps and bumpers for my father's used car lot in Wichita, Kansas with steel wool amongst the wonderfully interesting African American crew my father had. Got paid with a 1943 Mexican centavos that somehow, I still have! I was five or so and traded it in at the local drug store, where the 'dollies' behind the counter gave me an ice cream cone and harrassed my father forever about paying his kid in Mexican money. He gladly took it off their hands and it fell in the back of his dresser that I found in '86 when I moved my mother finally out of our home. Got it right here in my desk today like one of those framed dollar bills some people proudly display at their businesses.
Gyped cars thru high school selling '55, 56 & 57 Chevys to other high school kids while working as 'Lot Boy' at a Pontiac store. Very big deal getting the title BTW. The others were called porters and Lot Boy meant I could pick up the keys and gas up the muscle cars with purchase order authority. Drove new GTOs every day. Burned off the tires in a Superbird. Had a 427 Galaxie 500 that I should have kept!
Went to four years of art school in painting and drawing and detailed cars on the side to pay for tuition. Gyped a few more sleds. Tuition was $171.00 a semester!
Went to grad school in architecture and gyped a few more shooters and ran the detail shop for a Mopar dealer.
Right out of grad school knew I never wanted to be a boring architect, so with a few dollars of savings, I opened a detail shop/body shop which grew into 20 or so employees in a couple of years. Opened a sign shop with a buddy of mine from art school and learned how to lick letter while continuing the auto shop. Sold out of all of it and opened an official automotive restoration business in a huge building with many employees. Did alot of late 40s cars and many muscle cars. Became a firetruck restoration person. Opened a medical equipment refurbishing business rebuilding dental chairs and other medical equipment. Opened a wholesale auto auction with another 40 employees. Ran the restoration shop and other businesses for ten years until my doberman died and sold it all off to go run a Chevy store for another three years, a hundred miles west of KC. One day there I tried to find someone to come in and paint our showroom windows.
Quit my wonderful job running the Chevy store to go splash windows. Took three months off to go see the real splashes in LA and learned alot. Also painted 110,000 car windshields! Been doing this for eleven years and love it, however am now starting an art gallery in Santa Fe, NM as all thru this I continued to paint oil pictures and now need somewhere to really market them and retire. I turn 51 on Feb 8. www.prestonmccall.com No where else in the world can we get to have this much fun and enjoy working as much, I bet!
-------------------- Preston McCall 10305 Eby st. Overland Park, KS 66212 text: 5056607370
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Well, Ocupational Therapy was supposed to be my lifetime career. My husband owned a utility construction business and I helped a little, but my heart was at the hospital. Back in 81 he had a severe stroke and his health went downhill from then on. I had no choice but to take over the business and manage it.
Tain't no fun for a woman ditch digger laying gaslines. The only time I enjoyed myself was when I was young enough to go out on the job to replace an absent worker. I also enjoyed bidding jobs, the bigger the better. Guess it was the challenge and competition that turned me on.
When I got out of that I was so old I was having trouble getting myself out of bed, so I decided that O.T. was not an option for me. I have this pet peeve about therapists who only do range of motion. I have to see results.
Which brings us to the present. As someone above said,"All you need is a computer and a plotter." I had a computer. Yeah right! I'm still buying toys. It is wonderful to wake up in the morning and not have to do what you hate. Ain't life grand!
-------------------- Kathy Joiner River Road Graphics 41628 River Road Ponchatoula, La.70454
Old enough to know better...Too young to resist.
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I dealt drugs on the streets, before that I was a runner for a numbers racket, then I was a trained assasin (US military), then more dope, then did some posters and signs and signs and .....
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Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity. — Charles Mingus Posts: 6800 | From: Mendocino, CA. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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What did I do before signs? Is this a trick question? Signs were around before I was. How old does Cheryl think I am? When I was 21 I ran a NAPA store in Maine... Not a particularly interesting job...One thing I remember...There was an older guy there who just drove me nuts...always complaining or coming up with some kind of conspiracy theories or just babbling all sorts of nonsense...so I fired him...I think he moved to Florida.
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Cam Bortz Finest Kind Signs Pondside Iron works 256 S. Broad St. Pawcatuck, Ct. 06379 "Award winning Signs since 1988" Posts: 3051 | From: Pawcatuck,Connecticut USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...CAM you funn-e man.....i worked for ARROSTOOK AUTO PARTS caribou maine from 1970-73....was the 1st NAPA store in the county. let me tell you about the maine UFO sightings....
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Before signs I basically played with my toys, rode a tricycle etc. I started doing revenue work in Dad's shop, shocards and price tickets, at 8 years old and had always helped in the shop from the time I could walk. Afterschool I was making as much daily as my friends made in a month delivering papers. Never quit making signs although after college I added teaching, principal, superintendent and assistant professor. Back to signs full time in '73 after getting tired of public education politics and being broke on educators salary. Always making signs to keep the family fed. As third generation in the business I have been trained in all phases of the trade and find that variety envigorating. Being able to be creative in a different way every day makes this the best way to make a living.
-------------------- Kent Smith Smith Sign Studio P.O.Box 2385, Estes Park, CO 80517-2385 kent@smithsignstudio.com Posts: 1025 | From: Estes Park, CO | Registered: Nov 1998
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At age 14 I was a paper boy when I stopped at a signpainters house every nite to watch him...one day he asked if I wanted a job....you know what the answer was! He walked over to the corner...picked up a broom, handed it to me and said "here's your first brush".
The rest... as they say is history!
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Paper boy Laborer Stock boy Projectionist Oil Field worker Marine Engineering Architectural Technologist Porn Star (Bigus Dickus) Drug Dealer Sign Maker
-------------------- John Martin Robson Pendragon Signs & Graphics Yellowknife,NT,Canada
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Newspaper Boy Service Station Attendant Auto Body Repair US Navy Baker/Bakery owner Tow driver/owner Marketing/trademarked products Signs Politics Sliding into the Separatists Arena...Brakes are failing me....Help. ..
-------------------- Ken Morse Jamn Graphics Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 213 | From: Santa Cruz, CA. USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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Joined the military when I was 17. Retired after 24 years of undetected crime. Trained as a meteorologist. Worked with the army, navy and airforce all over the place.
Retired as a Warrant Officer and started making signs 5 years ago.
Oh I forgot.... along the way, bartender, cook, deck scrubber, painter, shoe shiner, laundry, seamstress, trained killer (LOL) and anything else they told me to do.
The meteorlogical part got me into signs. We were using computers (WANS) and layout for weather displays since the early 70's.
-------------------- Kevin Landry KnL Signs Halifax NS
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Offshore SupplyBoat Maintenance Technition(deckhand) Fire Communications Officer(My house is on fire!...calm down please) Owner/Operator in the transportation biz Concrete driver/frontend loader operator Quality Control Director Sign Maker
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-------------------- Tony Broussard Graphic Details Digital Media Loreauville, LA Posts: 395 | From: Loreauville, LA | Registered: Jul 1999
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High School - College - Minor League Baseball - Police Officer - Business Owner.
Spent 15 years as a Police Officer. A lot of time spent travelling the USA and Canada playing in the Law Enforcement Softball Association. In 1992, I broke my neck in the line of duty, and was abruptly forced to retire and begin working for a living. We started as a trophy and sign shop and have been ever so fortunate to evolve into HitKing Sports Inc. with now 7 stores and growing. Shameless plug www.hitkingsports.com Steve, if that's some sort of violation please remove it. I have had e-mails say, "What is it you do anyway?"
-------------------- Danny Palmer Punta Gorda, Florida
Edge II - Embroidery & Digitizing Wholesale to the industry.
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Porno Star.... Yah I Wish! Worked at a Grocery store when I was going to Art School, Built Loghomes, the Handcrafted style, but was always making signs 24yrs now and counting... Oh I have to change the foil in the edge..... Neil
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After school, worked as a construction laborer, then went to Carpenter Apprenticeship school and was a carpenter for a while. Worked at my father in law's sign shop routing wood signs by hand. Went back to construction and ran commercial jobs. Went back to work at the sign shop (now owned by my father in law's ex-wife). Worked there for about a year and a half. Started a sign company with a coworker. Did that for 10 years. Made a huge mistake and went to work for another sign shop because I was tired of dealing with the headaches of self employment. Could only take a year and a half of that. Started another sign company with a coworker. Been doing that for about 3 and half years. The partner left about 4 months ago, so I am solo now.
-------------------- Dennis Goddard
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20 years military Motor Mechanic Auto Electrician Gas fitter Signmaker best job I ever Had 13 years now
-------------------- Ian Wilson Signmaker Retired 3 Panorama Drive Toowoomba Queensland Australia may all your troubles be little ones. The man that never make a mistake never makes anything. Posts: 656 | From: Toowoomba Queensland Australia | Registered: Nov 1998
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Well, I'll have to agree... this is a cool post Cheryl. Only thing is, after reading about all of the folks who did so many things BEFORE signs...well I feel like I should be more accomplished, because that's all I've ever done really.
Age: 11 Lettered bicycles that I raced
12: Started Little Gaber Signs(had my own business cards too)
14 to 17: Part-time janitor at the post office (never went postal though!)
18: Went to college for one year(advertising design)
19: Interviewed at a signshop on a whim during summer break... got a job
20-27: Worked at 3 different shops
27 to 33: Home based sign business
33 to 36: Downtown sign shop location with one full time employee
I enjoy the sign business, but I really have a life outside of that as well. Including hunting, enjoying dirt track racing events, spending time with my wife and 2 kids, playing power volleyball and cruising the country trails on my 4-wheeler.
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-------------------- Kurt Gaber Chippewa Falls, WI Thank You Letterheads for being a part of both Brush Bashes in '02 & '06!
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well lets see, my very first job was loading clay pigeons on a trap machine in a cement bunker while it was 90+ degrees out for a local sports club. ahhhh a buck an hour and all the broken clay pigeon chips in the face a guy could want then I worked at the pizza man , chopping onions,and shaving frozen steak. then got my promotion to working the ovens and got to pick who chopped those damn onions! hahahah after that I put myself through sign school in Boston. after school I got a job at the Sign Gallery in Manchester NH where I got to do all the grunt work for $5.35 an hour, only to have that HUGE 25 cent raise snached away for some stupid reason every time it was raise time.... then I grew a brain and decided I could do this on my own, and did for 10 years. then I found out how much I liked pinstriping motorcyles and the cash it delivered to me. I worked the shows for 18 years and then moved here to the northwest where I've pretty much specialized in Custom show quality airbrush artwork and I must say that I enjoy what I do now more than anything else I've ever done. although every once i a while I get this urge to make a pizza in the shape of a clay pigeon!
an old man once told me, son, find something you love to do and you'l never have to work a day in your life. he was right.
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Before the the sign thang:8 years in the video retail business, 7 years in the rubber industry doing everything from lab tech to chemist/compounder to process technician. Also ran a milk route delivering to grocery stores & restaurants, tended bar, etc... Funny thing though, being Greek, I've yet to get into the restaurant business!
-------------------- Pete Kouchis Say it with SIGNS, Inc. Orland Park, IL, USA Phone: (708)460-3001 Fax: (708)460-3006
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This is a great topic Cheryl! It's amazing to learn what everyone did before signs.
My first job was delivering papers. I always hated collecting the money and was always short paying my newspaper bill. In the end, I got canned.
In high school, I worked as a janitor partime, before getting a job at a small styrofoam company that made packaging. The owners had enough faith in me to offer me a fulltime job as a leadhand with my own crew at 17. It was hot, hard work in a steamy enviornment, but I have many good memories.
My training in high school was geared towards a career in drafting. I had always been interested in drawing and my goal was to get a job at General Electric as a draftsman.
My worse subject at school was chemistry. I failed it miserably and never got my Grade 12 as a result. Imagine my shock when GE hired me as a chemist!
That job lasted 3 months. I wore a suit and tie, had a secretary and my own office. My Grandmother was thrilled, but I hated it. One day I picked up the phone and begged the styrofoam owners to take me back.
In early 1993, I followed my best friend to a job at Canada Wire and Cable. We made elecrical wire for the automotive and building industry. During the next 110 years I worked as a spooler, extruder operator and finally making the PVC used as insulation on the wire.
By 1975, I had discovered the sign business. My new interest developed into a partime business and in 1983, we went fulltime making signs under the name The SignMan.
The business outgrew our 2 car garage so we rented a 40' x 40' shop. We were there until my heart attacks started in 1994.
Our next few years were hell. Lots of sickness, dispair and financial challenges. Then a miracle happened. A small website I started as a hobby in late 1995 developed into The Letterhead Website and then Letterville. Who would have ever thought?
-------------------- Steve Shortreed 144 Hill St., E. Fergus, Ontario Canada N1M 1G9 519-787-2673
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1st job - Truck washer at Blue Beacon Truck Wash in Amarillo, Texas - 2nd job - lookout for a pimp at truckstops in Amarillo - -3rd job - cook- 4th job - dishwasher - same "Ol truckstops - -5th job - I'm movin up now - Overseer for truckstop & Restaurant in Adrian, Texas - -middle of nowhere - that was my favorite job - -once bought a .45 pistol there for 20 bucks worth of gas - then traded that gun for a '72 Pontiac - that was a bad car till I totaled it out racing the Trans Am.....Oh yea ....fun days back then....then there was the time me & a girlfriend was riding that Honda TT500.....and wound up on the other side of the fence.........over the handlebars.....then we got up & rode on in to Amarillo - to the "Big Texan" steak house.....anybody here ever been there ? Carl
-------------------- Carl Wood Olive Branch, Ms Posts: 1392 | From: Olive Branch,MS USA | Registered: Nov 1999
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Carl, I've never been inside that steakhouse but I've drove past it more times than I care to remember. Amarillo was usually someplace I was going through, not to. However, I am guilty of spending way too much time in those truckstops you mentioned so let's compare notes some time. Hope to see you at Fred's in OKC.
-------------------- Chris Elliott 1longshot@classicnet.net cell 62084two2232 Posts: 686 | From: Scottsdale, AZ & Anthony, KS, USA | Registered: Dec 1999
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I never got an allowance as a child so I had to create my own income hehehe. In Junior high I was macrame queen and other crafts as well...such as pottery, jewelry design, embroidering jeans, etc. Always painting...back drops for plays and football games, etc. That turned into murals for money, along with the calligraphy.
Senior high, I had been babysitting all my life (the oldest) and for other folks, started slingin pickles for a steady check whilst getting pretty heavy in the ceramics. I began writing for the school paper and submitting illies and charicatures. We got to play with geisso and I found it could be spread on a piece of glass and peeled up when it dried, like a sticker...hehehe. Yup, you got it, I was the sticker pimp in my school yard hehehe! Almost every locker had my handiwork on or in it.
Folks were asking me to put their girlfriend's name on the passenger door of their cars, this turned out to be pretty lucrative for a spell, young love n all, hehehe. That turned into, "Hay, my dad needs some lettering done on his truck!" and so I hopped a bus up to Atlanta one day to look for a sign shop. I figgered I needed to know more about what I was doing, hehehe.
They had no idea that I could do calligraphy, I had no idea it was a big deal. They gave me a lettering brush and I remember thinkin this pen has a wobbly nib, but ok...For SALE, it was!
I got the red paint off of my hands with some mineral spirits and never looked back. The next week, we're doing sho-cards for the Magic Garden, complete with attatched glossies and an illegal amount of glitter stars...hehehe! Sho-carding is where I really fell in love with Script lettering, the perfect letter is so satisfying!
Since then, my life is a blur of working outta my trunk mostly, but a little bit in the printing industry doing every thing but the fork lift and the presses.
When I was old enough, I slung coffee in the mornings and drinks at night, for the money and the jokes. I slung my fair share of pickles before 16...a few pizzas after.
When my girls came along, I had a play pen and my my sign kit set up under a window in a strip mall and before I could finish the first one, more folks were asking me to hit their place, till it got dark and the next day I went by and realized I had zig-zagged and done the whole strip hahaha!
I took some pics and started my portfolio, my mother was soooooo happy! I wish I had listened to her earlier about taking pictures...hehehe. I learned how to work like a monkey all summer so I could stay home with my girls when it was cold.
Since then I've done race cars, bill boards, menu copy for days, sho-cards, banners, walls, 4'x whatevers, windows, awnings, tennis courts (logos for Pringle Dixon Pringle clients, even!) more murals, helmets, instrument cases, bikes, and fliers.
I tried to retire a couple of years ago for health reasons, but for sainty reasons, I dusted off the old kit and am determined to make some more money! I missed my brushes so much! It might just be the paint fumes, but I think one of my fitches winked at me the other day!
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Started with babysitting at 11 yrs old Working in fast food next, then testing waffle irons for the Malted waffle king, then started in signs at the age of 20. Juggled college full time, work full time and learning the sign trade with great uncle until all at the same time until something had to give. Quit college (thought I was going into accounting, ha! my checkbook has been off by $300 for the last 7 years. No interest in crunching numbers I found out). Been doing sign since.
-------------------- Pam Eddy Niles, MI ple@qtm.net Posts: 460 | From: Michigan | Registered: Dec 2000
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Linda.......I sure know what you are talking about when you say you wish you would have taken pictures in those early days. My first actual paying sign job was doing sho cards. I took my black and white India ink bottles and brushes around the small town of Kirkland & asked if I could make signs for anyone. I would do the signs right on the spot. I got tons of jobs that day and went home with the biggest smile. Well here it is...26 years later, and still makin' signs.
Yes ! This certainly has been fun hearing what everyone did BS(before signs) Thanks for sharing!!
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Seems like we could get more work as a snapper of sorts. I would think the clients would rather have established companies with accounts and someone to hold accountable if it were to back fire as opposed to somebody runnin through town with a little box, hehehe. Maybe I should toss on a paint apron and put a quill behind my ear and see what happens? It worked before hehehe.
-------------------- Nancy B. Bennett Walldog Public Art 317 N. 13th St. Centerville, Iowa 52544 Posts: 95 | From: Centerville, IA, USA | Registered: Mar 2000
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Started working in High school at a gas station fixing tires and stuff. Worked in a wharehouse stocking (boring as anything). Started driving tow trucks in Detroit then got my Commercial driving license and drove class C tow trucks (Semi's) doing recovery work and stuff. Shuttled cargo trailers for a rail yard. Moved to Washington and drove tow trucks again and started managing a company working wayyyy to many hours so I decided I might as well work for myself.
I happened to mention my intentions of doing graphic design (always had done it on the side and took some classed at the Detroit school of Auto design) when he says "why dont you try signs?" - It turns out that he retired from Ioline as an executive and was given a cutter as a gift. He let me borrow it until I could buy my own, 9 years later here I am and lovin it...
-------------------- Brian Stoddard Northwest Signs
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BEFORE signs? There has never been a life without signs for me. Before I was even born, my dad had his sign shop in our house. Back then it was the tiny screened in porch at the front of our house. Eventually when he bought the building, it was the huge studio he built in the back. It was great, I was the only kid who had someplace to ride my bike indoors when it was snowing out.
I spent a lot of my childhood just sitting watching my dad work. Too bad the artistic talent seems to have skipped a generation! My daughter is 4 and she is already a better artist than I am. I've saved all of my dad's brushes, pens, maul sticks and other sign painting essentials for her JUST IN CASE.
-------------------- Kimberly Zanetti Purcell www.amethystProductivity.com Folsom, CA email: Kimberly@AmethystProductivity.com
“Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up.” AA Milne
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Did the usual college and high-school student type of jobs, along with band gigs.
However, I went to college for Journalism. I was good at sportswriting.
After graduating, I drove to another state and was hired by a newspaper. On the drive home, I was hit with the realization that I HATED sportswriting, and what I really wanted to be was a signpainter!
After calling the editor of the paper and getting chewed out, a week later I got a job at a signshop!
Took several years of evening practice before I could consider myself a "signpainter." But I was happy!!
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at 6 house painting with my dad. We were like Mutt & Jeff, I did the low work. My dad would make me paint for punishment and I loved it, never told him. ("Please, PLEASE - don't fling me in that briar patch, Bre'r Fox.")
Lawn Mowing, Gardening and Pet Sitter. Kid stuff.
Typesetter's Devil & Proofreader. Often wish I'd stayed in it.
sold Auto Parts. Dealing with the crazy public. Yukk!
Edison grunt. Hard work, office politics.
U.S. Navy. Possibly the worst job in the world.
Art Student & Tire Retreader. Tires - the filthiest job. Garbage collector would be cleaner.
Car Battery Assembler. Lead and Sulphuric Acid, boy are THEY nice.
Swimming Pool Cleaner. Harsh chemicals, cold water, dead rats and bugs in the filters, no place to go to the restroom, yapping, biting dogs - those guys don't get paid enough.
Shipping Clerk / Parts Assembler. Biggest challenge!; Making UPS deadline every day. Most exercise I ever got, fair pay - got me out of $12,000 Credit Card debt in 18 months.
Census Crew Leader. 80 to 100 hours a week/pay for 40. Confusing forms/worthless enumerators/angry residents. NEVER AGAIN!
Hang-Arounder at Disneyland. Best pay - most boring.
I'm not sure what the difference is between "Self Employed" and "Unemployed", but those, more times than any. I've worked in or for 36 sign shops, some of them more than once. I like it the best, just wish it paid.