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Hey- Two years working in a vinyl shop is supposedly all it takes to be a consultant and train people to open and run a sign shop. Do you think that is true? -Shon ------------------------------- Sign*A*Rama, Inc. has openings for Field Representatives in the Seattle Region. Qualified candidates should possess a minimum of 2 years experience in the vinyl sign industry......... --------------------------------------------------
-------------------- Light and Shadow Manzanita,Oregon shonlenzo@hotmail.com Posts: 286 | From: Manzanita,Oregon | Registered: Feb 2000
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Shon, now theres a place where you can learn the business aspects of taking your own business out of the high percentages of low income of your county in Oregon. Instead of dwelling on the fact that your county in Oregon has the highest percentage of unemployment 'which I've gotten from your last post' you could work for a big company while learning how to make a go of it for your own lifestyle. Sounds like a plan don't it?
Live and learn!
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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Joey- That is good advice. However, I just lined up $10K worth of work. I have decided to go for it on my own terms and and stop compaining about the economy... -Shon
-------------------- Light and Shadow Manzanita,Oregon shonlenzo@hotmail.com Posts: 286 | From: Manzanita,Oregon | Registered: Feb 2000
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Hi Shon. Well your post sort of makes me laugh and sort of makes me sad. That seems like an awfully short amount of time to know enough about the sign biz. Also...I do know that in the Seattle area we have way too many sign franchises. Seems there are always several of them for sale ...... and they stay for sale for a very long time. Can't hardly give them away. That is the thing about sign franchises sometimes. I have gone into them to say hello...and the people running them are very inexperienced about sign making and design layout. It shows in their sign displays.
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In the stated terms of your post, yes, with two years experiance it is possible to teach anybody how to cut weed and install vinyl on to various substrates...but as you can tell from the rest of the very talented an knowledgable folks that have answered this post it takes much much longer to gain the knowledge and experiance to survive and stand out as someone who producess a quality product that stands above all the rest. You need to seriously stand back and think about what it is that you are attempting to do. You are going to start a business that deals with images that other busnesses us to promote themselves. You must be able to distinguish between those elements that make a good layout or a bad one in your own design work, as well as possessing the ability to convince a prospective customer/client that the design their six year old daughter produced may not be the most appropriate way to promote their business, or at least be able to incorporate it into something that will. This takes time to develope by reading books such as, Mastering Layout by Mike Stevens, working with other sign folks that have been in the business for many years, going to letterhead meets and learning from folks like Si...Joey...Cheryl, and I can't leave out Ron Percell who has helped me so much. Reading the trade magazines and posting some of your work here on the letterheads and let people give you advice about your work...if your not a resident it's a very inexpensive donation for what you can learn and take part in.
I speak fron experiance because I just became a member of this family about four years ago. I started working for a commercial sign shop that produces the big boys like you see at malls and along the interstate, took me a year to get into the vinyl shop and then I started doing the computor work and became responsible for all the design work. That took two years. I had a pretty good artistic backround to go with it so the BASICS of design and layout came easy. Was I ready at that time to go out on my own like I wanted...HA! LOL! I got invited to Ron Percell's Micro Meet in Petaluma, California and had an eye opening revalation! Humble as I was with my shiny new paint kit and virgin brushes (Which are getting a little more use these days...) I came away with a new perspective that I could not have gottin from the place I worked at...and very few "Fast Vinyl" shops. While I'm not trying to play down the potentual of any Sign franchise, who may have some very talented and knowledgable people, they tend to be speed and production oriented and generally produce a limited display of signage. I tried to bring a little of what I had learned at the letterhead meets into the shop I was working at but was met with a resounding, "This is a production shop...we don't have time to build Grand Pianos!" At that point I new I had to get my own place. With a little push and advice from Ron & Kristi Percell, Fransico, Rick & Lola and many others I layed out a plan and just bit the bullit learning as much as I could for another year, and in April of last year our local Sign-O-Rama failed, and I was in a possision to purchase some of the remnants after the creditors got done with em'. I opened up my own store front about three miles down the road from my previous employer. DON'T BURN YOUR BRIDGES when you leave, cause they just might send ya work that they don't want to do or can't! It's getting close to my first aniversary and it has been a major struggle, I'm just now starting to get some of the accounts that I have hoped for. It helps that I also offer all kinds of screen printing along with the signage.
What is my point to this lon...g post. It takes a long time to get the word out and for people to get used to seeing what you can produce. I did take a few loyal clients with me when I left because they liked my work, and I also had a major job lined up, but that can only take you so far. You will suddenly become Chief Cook as well as Bottle Washer along with all the responsibilities that go with each of those clasifications. Now you gotta design it, produce it, sell it, document it and pay all the bills that go along with the ability to do all of this on your own. If you don't have a solid business plan or you faulter in any one of these areas...it will, more than likely spell disaster.
Intead of looking at what you have learned, look at what you haven't. Sit down with a piece of paper and right down ALL of the posible sign or product requests that could come through your door. How many of them can you produce in a resonable amount of time. Remember customers don't like to be kept waiting for too long, and they generaly don't like to be turned away very often either!
It's a good idea to have a list of folks that can produce the things you can't and know that you can have a good professional relationship with; but if you find that your sending very much of your work out then maybe your not ready to be in business for yourself. Is it because your not licenced to do the install...find a good contractor that will work with you. You don't have the knowlede or experiance...find a way to learn and gain the experiance. Most importantly, make sure ya got a good backup plan! A real good starting point would be the Small Business Administration. They can realy help in all the areas that your about to get yourself into as well a financial assistance...in most cases it's free help! Hope this helps.
Not trying to scare anyone away from following their dreams...just make sure ya got a fighting chance before the leap! Robin
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shon...seems like your post was more of a "hey look at me" rather then a true question....so you dont really need any of us..with 10k of work.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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I had 5 month experience……and then I went on my own. My mentor was a raging alcoholic who knew jack **** about the sign business. Taught me how to cut letters and stick em to plastic board.
One day he said he was finished, packing it up and leaving. I said to myself “John…. here’s your opportunity to do something. So here I am 5 years later in the sign business, learning as I go. I can’t believe what I’ve been able to accomplish with just a little ambition, some perseverance and faith.
……..so the moral of the story is. “ you don’t have to know how, you just have to know that, that’s what you want to know…….ya know.
shon lenzo.......do what you want to do.
-------------------- John Martin Robson Pendragon Signs & Graphics Yellowknife,NT,Canada
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Thanks for your point of view, everyone- I was a bit surprised to think 2 years in a vinyl shop made you ready to be a consultant in the sign biz-Just wanted to know what you all thought. I started painting signs in 1982,before vinyl. I was glad I lined up some work, sorry if I bragged about it.I was feeling pretty broke and hopeless so I looked in the help wanted and saw this ad.......I wondered if this is all the sign biz has boiled down to now, then I tried to line up my own work and felt empowered to be an artist. -Shon
-------------------- Light and Shadow Manzanita,Oregon shonlenzo@hotmail.com Posts: 286 | From: Manzanita,Oregon | Registered: Feb 2000
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now i read it a little different..with your last post.....i see what you where saying in the 1st one....shon any body can hang vinyl....and yea 2 years in a vinyl shop...makes you qualifed to weed, tape, and apply....thats all. as for design skills and computer program usage..no frikin way....i use corel and i tell people to be able to use all the capabilities of corel..it would take you 7 years in one version to learn it all. as for design and layout...well just look at some of the crap the quicky stiky turn out....my 2 cents
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