My mouth fell open today when watching the Weather Channel and they had a report on pressure treatead wood.
Seems the industry is SLOWLY going to phase out ARSENIC as the preservative and use something else. Every house with a deck is a potential cancer causing risk
I cut treated posts with the saw, breathed in the dust and now I find out this stuff causes cancer.
I built my deck out of it and used the left over wood to build beds for my kids.
TALK ABOUT A WAKE UP CALL! GHEESH!
So Please order a copy of Songpainter before I die of cancer! We sold 13 copies since X-MAS!
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No offense, Draper, but it took the Weather Channel to tell you PT isn't good for you?
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Hey Dave, arsenic is not the only thing to be concerned about: check this site-http://home.vicnet.net.au/~woodlink/woodlink.htm#timber it has some other interesting stuff too!
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"DARE!" Signage of Distinction Bundaberg freeloner2001@dingoblue.net.au Posts: 94 | From: Q.L.D Australia | Registered: Jan 2001
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Most wood has a natural barrier for pests, mold and bacteria. If it repels or kills bugs it has to contain some poison. I know that both cedar and pine have toxins in the wood. And you thought that the lead paint chips you were eating was bad for you. LOL
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We stopped using PT lumber about a year ago because of it's unreliability to remain in true form. I knew of the arsenic, that is why it should never be burned.
Don't feel bad it's not like it comes with a warning label like paint or cigarettes so one might have to learn about in such a place as the weather channel. OR the letterheads BB
I'd get the kids some new beds REAL SOON though!
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This has been an ongoing news story for the past year in Central Florida.
They went around to parks all over the state checking the soil where the playgrounds were made from PT wood and found that the arsenic levels were above allowable limits at most of them.
The playground I always took my daughter to was 600 times higher than the allowable limit.
For a while a lot of them were closed down. Some of them had the soil replaced down so many feet.
Basically they concluded that even though the levels were higher than the allowable limits it was still so small of a risk that it didn't really matter. Your kids would have to literally sit and suck on the boards or eat the soil for a year straight to get sick from it.
I still take my daughter to that park I mentioned. If you really love your kids and take care of them you're not going to let them suck on the boards or eat the soil!!
Dave, get a respirator. I wear one for everything!
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Thanks Dave I will add that to my list,along with Drinking water Breathing the air Going outside in the sun Food eating Having the knowledge that there is no cure for growing old and dieing. I have termined to enjoy the time I am here (no matter how long)and not to worry about when where and how that will happen.
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Just last year, on the news was a story about a local doctor an MD, he was building a deck and he had this puppy for his Little Girl.. the puppy started chewing on the scrap wood... the puppy got sick and died, the doctor did'nt realize how much poison was in the wood, he removed his deck and got a full refund. He also bought another puppy for his daughter. All this was on tv just as I was finishing off my new PT. Deck. Neil
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Cheer up little camper,I think it would make a great next article...."Will Cutting a Pallet of Pressure Treated Wood into 1"x 2" Strips in a Non-Ventilated Space Kill You?"
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We're all gonna die!! Well, sooner or later anyhow.
I'm just waiting for some bureaucrat to spend $100 Million to do a study on it. Are they going to do what they did to saccharin and feed the human equivalent of 800 diet sodas per day to a rat and tell us it might cause cancer?
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If you fertilize your lawn regularly you are doing a great job of putting chemicals into your home and environment too.
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It's amazing that none of the do-it-yourself shows ever mention this. Of course, the warning came out years ago. Some of the warning included that it was not for use as firewood. The lumberyards have not cut PT wood or plywood for several years. And safety equipment recomendations, for cutting large amounts, included respriator and gloves.
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we don't get out of her alive...how many of you smoke or drink alcohol..
there was a show on Public Tv some time back that there was a study on the cancer growth in dead people and they found large amounts of the stuf they fill your teath with for cavities, also the bacteria that acumulate in the pockets between the filling and the rotting tooth!..got to make ya think.
what about the pestisides that corporate farmers spray on our fruits and vegis that we buy! or the preservitives in processed food..ever eat TV dinners...or how about all the hormones given to cattle and chickens our milk supply is loaded with it all!
chris
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Two years ago, a week after his 23rd birthday, young Jack got a job at the Home Depot as the assistant manager of the Pressure Treated Lumber department.
Today, he got promoted and was made Employee of the Month for his diligence and hard work. His picture hangs proudly where everyone can see.
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Yes, there is arsenic in pressure treated wood, but so what? You know what kind of crap is in our tap water (including arsenic)? I read a study that tested the amount of arsenic on kids hands after playing on a pressure treated wood playground for an hour, and the amount on their hands afterward tested at less than the amount that would be found in their daily drinking water. And just because it got on their hands doesn't mean it is going to be ingested or rubbed in their eyes, either. If you want to worry, worry about the crap in water and processed foods. Over 70% of antibotics produced in the US are used in the meat and dairy industries on animals.
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Yep, there's all kinds of stuff in wood products. I was a Quality Control Dude at a fiberboard plant that made the boards out of sugarcane fiber. We used a resin made by BASF called MDI, it was formaldehye free unlike most particleboard. We did however run a few test runs with Boric Acid mixed into the fiber. This was intended for termite and fire resistance. They said it was safe, but the plant engineer that was adding the stuff into the silos wore a hell of a resipirator while the people that ran the sawtables had the little cheap ones. Hmmm makes ya wonder.
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hey dave...you dont like arsnic...how bout stricnine?.....every piece of chicken you eat is loaded with it....these large chicken farms have grain storage bins, to keep the rat and mice from eating it they spray it with stricnine(rat poison), its in such a heavy dose it kills the rats...but not the chicken.....hehehehehe...they also use a form of this in the baths they run the cattle thru for parisites...kinda like the stuff you put on the back of your cat or dog....its really a poison that enters the blood and the fleas/ticks bite the animal..and dies from the toxin.....there total life span is shortened, but their quaility of life(not scratchin and diggin )is a lot better.
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kinda ironic really... worried about a little arsenic in pressure treated wood with minimal exposure, yet you expose yourself to higher levels of poisons every day in your sign shops...
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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Dave……I wouldn’t worry too much about that arsenic content in that pressure treated wood.
This is what you should worry about. There is a gold mine here in Yellowknife that produced gold for about 60 years. Arsenic trioxide is a by-product from the production process of that mine. It is lethal. There is enough arsenic sealed in caverns in that mine to kill every living organism on this planet. Now have a look at your atlas and see where Yellowknife is. Its located on one of the largest lakes in the world which is connected to one of the largest rivers in the world, which is connected to 99% of all the other water in the world……..now that’s something to worry about.
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