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Hi guys Okay I have another question for you all. Vehicle wrap vinyl is new to us in the UK. We have mactacs "Mac fleet" & KPMF wrap vinyl But today I started a great order. Our company has 1 year to fit only, 1800 vans for cable. Yip 1800 of the things. The graphics were supplied to us on 3M printed vehicle wrap vinyl. As you can guess being 3M its good stuff. What I was wondering is, are there many types of wrap vinyl out there. What do you use and can you recommend a supplier?
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I'll bump this up for some others with more experience to maybe reply. I would think that any High performance vinyl would be suitable for vehicle wraps. As for the printing technology I guess the "ScotchPrint" was the first thing to come to mind years ago. I will be doing some "wrap" type stuff on my gerber edge.
Another supply is the Gerber product for wrapping the windows. It has small perforations throughout the entire sheet to allow for a limited visibility viewing out through the window. It is called Gerber Vision I believe.
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One of the best sources for info on vehicle wraps that I've found is www.robivers.com. He even has a video (1 out of a series of six) on vehicle wraps.
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Yes your right Glenn! Thanks for minding me about his site. I am going to put a link to rob ivers site from the uksigngroup.com site. Also i have heard a lot of good comments about robs work. As for the cast Doug, I agree with you most cast vinyl’s will conform to uneven surfaces but it has a higher shrinkage rate than wrap vinyl. The shrinking is what causes the bulk of the problems. As it shrinks and pulls back on its self it pops back out the recessed areas. It also doesn’t regain its form when heated… its amazing to see this stuff work. I am actually going to be putting a couple of small downloadable video footage of this stuff in action. But thanks for taking the time to answer my question.
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I've been doing a lot of wraps, 3m has a viynl called comply this is by far the easiest viynl I ever put on.It has has a rough texture to it which allows the air to escape and you can digitaly print on it.Do not apply this wet I did one side of a beer truck and my helper did the other side with r---d t-c and it was loaded with bubbles the dry side was fine. maybe somebody else has had luck with a wet application but I definetly don't reccomend it.
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Hi Scott thanks for the reply. I have to agree. Do not use a wet application when it comes to vehicle wraps. Not because of bubbles though that is another problem that can occur. Rabid_attack application method I have heard is good for very flat signs yes. But it does not do anything for the adhesion really. Its wet. Yes! Easy to use. Yes! Activates the glue. Maybe! But.... what happens to the residue chemicals of the liquid. It’s still under the vinyl. This can only affect the performance of the adhesive. As its an obstruction of direct contact to the van paint work. If in the recessed areas this could make the wrap vinyl pop back out and go brittle. Only to leave the unsightly mess that normal vinyl’s can do. If you wrapped a van and complain to the supplier it has popped back out of recess. They will ask how you applied it. If you say used rabid_attack they can simply say i am sorry our product is not guaranteed when using any chemical to apply. Something to think about when a fully digital wrap can cost a good few pounds. Oops I mean bucks.
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Hate to admit it, but back here in the woods, I don't reckon I've ever used 'wrap' vinyl. How does it compare cost-wise?
-------------------- Ed Harris Designs&Signs Lexington, TN
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I recall you saying you NEVER use Rapid Tac Scott, strange how your stories change to fit the situation.
Robert, doing "other then flat" substrates is not a problem, neither is "the effect on adhesive",
Ierge you to call "All Print" and try for yourself !!
However, I will agree that (after much comparison) "wet" is not enough of an advantage, when compared with the difficulty of "wet around rivits". I would like to solve that nasty "rivit problem" And maybe someday I will, but Rapid Tac is still an advantage on textured banner material,coroplast(with fluted surfase)And definately "standard flat" applications, as well as vinyl over vinyl!!
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Read The post a little better roger My partner used it who was actually an employee of the company I was installing for, try www.hookedonphonics.com
-------------------- Scott Moyer Canadensis, Pennsylvania 570-595-0310 Posts: 111 | From: Canadensis PA. USA | Registered: Mar 2000
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Scott, I don't know what or why, but you definitely do feel some agenda here.
I played this game with you once (on signweb.com) You only succeeded in making people irritated with yourself and brought out plenty of happy testimonials from lots of my end users (which I appreciated), now what I don't understand is, why do you want to put yourself thru this again ??
We should now go back to work and "give it a rest" Continuing this duel may bring some very uncomfortable results.
Roger P.S. no need for the"hooked on phonics" my wife helps me with my spellin now & then
-------------------- Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated 186 Combs Dr. Merlin Oregon 97532
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Hi roger Not trying to knock your product but just for the record I have used it I once bought about 12 bottles of TAC & remover for our company to use. Yes it worked like I said above & I do not think it’s damaging the adhesive. What I merely meant was the residue of the chemical is still there in the deep recessed Ares of the van & can only be a hinder to the vinyl adhesive getting maximum grip on the panel. And I appreciate test will have been done and come good but like I said. if the vinyl job pops and you use the tac then the suppliers will use this as a way to stop compensating you for loss.
[ January 31, 2002: Message edited by: robert @ uksigngroup.com ]
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I understand your concerns Robert. Just for the record there is a "letter of recomendation"(Avery/Fasson div.) on my site listing the lab report and findings(www.rapidtac.com) as well as a recomendation listed on Arlons site, the only other of the big 3 won't put it in writting(3m)but the "trouble shooters" (feild techs.) carry it with them(in case they can't solve a application problem)this I was told by more then one distributor in the midwest. Not counting the several conversations with 3m execs. myself.
The only residue left behind is compatible to both the adhesive and films.
Roger
-------------------- Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated 186 Combs Dr. Merlin Oregon 97532
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Glenn There's a new product out called pro prep it's made somewhere down your way, your supposed to be able to wipe this stuff on,apply vinyl like a wet application but the vinyl remains removable.I don't know if it works I'm more interested in the removeable part, I hate taking off full trailer wraps, and sometimes your customer insist that you do it.I wonder if it sticks to the rivets, rivets are the biggest problem with a wet application.Any information on this product would be appreciated.
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Well guys I am not going to argue with you on this one because my knowledge is limited. But for my own peace of mind I will always do everything dry. And as far as my staff is concerned they can use it but on vehicle wraps i would rather not take the chances. But thanks for the info anyway guys.
“I like to stand up & voice my opinion. but if i am not 100% on something i would rather sit back down, rather than be made to look a fool.”
Thanks anyhow guys. Your welcome to my boards any day.
application method I have heard is good for very flat signs yes. But it does not do anything for the adhesion really. 
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