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Hi Everybody, Recently I was having a discussion with Joey Hutson from Monroe LA. about having an Brain storming session at the Swampland meet next weekend. Basically I think we go to these meets for the fellowship as well as charging our batteries with new and fresh ideas. lets face it, we all get stale in the creative dept. from time to time. The idea is to get together and share money making ideas ( NOT AMWAY!) with other people so they can create new income instead of beating the same ol' horse week in and week out. I propose we create an idea forum here in Letterville where we can list some of our creative money making ideas to share with people around the world. I was telling Joey about some of my ideas that will make him more money in his field that I just don't have the time to persue doing the airbrush thing now. He loved my ideas and was going to put them to use that week. now the ideas don't have to be world altering , just some little marketing trick or idea that helps you create more income. There is SO much money to be made out there if you just do a little research to find it. well , what do you guys think about my idea? are you up for it? I hear so many folks talkin' about how tough it is making money in the sign business these days. especially the smaller shops. when I travel I spend most of that time thinking of new ways to make a living with my tallent, I get ideas from EVERYWHERE litterally! I will share some of these with all of you and in turn you can pay it forward as it where with another idea you've got that we haven't thought about before. well???? whataya think? Mike
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to much thinkin...go to the meet HAVE FUN....HEHEHEHEHEHEHE mike you lookin to become a "motivational speaker"??????????
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-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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I think it is a great idea. More information of this kind is so valuable! Here's hoping that this post does not go away too soon.
-------------------- Jeff Vrstal Main Street Signs 157 E. Main Street Evansville, WI 53536 1-608-882-0322 Posts: 670 | From: Evansville, Wisconsin | Registered: Sep 2001
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Dianne and I were just having the conversation this morning....about the direction we want our business to take in 2002.
1. More orginization.
2. More focus on getting the work done faster.
I agree Mike...there is plenty of money in this business....you just have to figure out how you can bring that to your business.
Dianne and I are going to start EVERY morning with an intention that we keep our focus....we noticed that we are getting REAL lax of late....NO MO!!!
Focus....focus...focus.....this is our mantra for 2002.
-------------------- Jackson Smart Jackson's Signs Port Angeles, WA ...."The Straits of Juan De Fuca in my front yard and Olympic National Park in my backyard...
"Living on Earth is expensive...but it does include a free trip around the Sun"
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Let's talk...sometimes I think we forget the idea behind the meets is to learn, share and teach...having fun is good too but never been my sole reason for attending a meet.
I'll listen to anyone that has an idea on making "me" money.
-------------------- "Werks fer me...it'll werk fer you"
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Hey Mike, it's a great idea.There's got to be SO MANY NEAT THINGS that people are doing around the world, to share in all that is exciting. I'm up here in Vancouver area, flailing around, trying to recreate myself after selling my shop. Only doing brush, no computer. Trying to get some of that excitement that I tapped into at the Bootcamp at John H. place summer before last.
John
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Mike, I think that sounds like a great idea. Unfortunately I can't make the meet. I could use any money making or selling tips that are thrown my way!
-------------------- Amy Brown Life Skills 101 Private Address Posts: 3502 | From: Lake Helen, FL, USA | Registered: Feb 2001
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the reason for the post was to form a permanent forum HERE on the letterheads site, the idea for talk at the meet was just a side note to the original idea. we become complacent ( spelling? )and spin our wheels all to often, everyday you have an opportunity to create a new form of income with the tools you have right in your own shop. for example: In our neighborhood we have a lot of kids, Rhonda often makes "stickers " for the kids.from that local teens wanted window decals for their car clubs but didn't know where to get them. the Plotter can be used for more than making letters for signs. find out from the kids ( who'm have a huge disposable income ) what things are "Cool" design decals, stickers, whatever and create a new form of income. thats just one idea. any more?? If you go into any skateboard shop you'll find a counter with nothing but stickers, these sell for a couple of bucks or more. you'll find out that if you come up with the right saying, word,or image, you can sell the heck out of em. Mike
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Mike,....I think that is an excellant idea! Folks could share marketing tips , or trendy ideas that may or may not turn into long term cash sources for shops all over the country.We could include demographic groups that tend to buy certain items or services on a regular basis thus creating local markets for goods & services,.. yet untapped in our own particular area.
Kind of like keeping in touch with whats hot so to speak & whats not,...Like per say the window splash explosion in the late eighties & early nineties.
If one can get in on a trend prior to market saturation there is alot of money to be made but once the market is saturated the demand may not exceed the supply,... thus creating a downward spiral in prices.It would be great to have an insight here to trends & buying habits that are profitable in one area that are not being utilized in others.
-------------------- fly low...timi/NC is, Tim Barrow Barrow Art Signs Winston-Salem,NC
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Sounds like a great idea to me. You are right about the stickers. I'm always scanning the dollar stores and such for deals on items like mugs, cigarette lighters, notebooks, clipboards. address books, and anything I think will sell or accept that sticky stuff. I apply names, school logos or cutesy sayings to them.
I also buy mailboxes on sale, do them up with paint and vinyl and make good money on them . The same with mirrors, you can use etch look vinyl on them.
Use your scraps of magnetic sheeting to make refrigerator mags or apply your logo or bus. card and give to customers.
I sure could use some fresh ideas.
-------------------- Kathy Joiner River Road Graphics 41628 River Road Ponchatoula, La.70454
Old enough to know better...Too young to resist.
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See? thats what I'm talking about. thanks Kathy!
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Here's an "environmentally friendly" one that I've seen. The sides of highway overpasses are usually simply grassed, but I have seen some where a "living sign" was planted using a combination of flowers and colored mulches/ washed stone etc. These were quite attractive and because they were unusual, really attracted attention. These might be done with a landscaper maintaining the horticultural end, and the sign person doing the layout for the living sign.
-------------------- Ken Henry Henry & Henry Signs London, Ontario Canada (519) 439-1881 e-mail: kjmlhenry@rogers.com
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Mike……….money making tips “excellent ideal”……..especially right here at Letterville
I can’t make the meets even though I’d love to…………perhaps I’ll plan one in conjunction with a holiday in the near future.
Here’s a little “customer service money making” add on that I’ve been doing.
Many people who buy banners from me want them to travel to trade shows or for presentations on the road. So what I started doing was selling them a nice travel tube with a custom made address decal to go along with it. It’s a great way to preserve and store the banner as well.
Often this fetches an extra $75.00-$100.00 on top of the sale, with very little added effort. Every customer I’ve proposed this to has purchase the tube as well.
-------------------- John Martin Robson Pendragon Signs & Graphics Yellowknife,NT,Canada
I've seen these really cool and stylish peronal Home signs, Like The "Johnsons's" with a base that reflects the style of the home and could involve some design element of the local area, or something thats personal to the home owners, like horses etc. the Idea I had was instead of the new home owner coming to you for a sign, You go to the home builders, Designers, and real estate agents. you show them a mock up of a sign, make it nice, tell the real estate agent that you will make a sign for their new owners, the real estate agent could use it as a free gift as a thanks for the sale, the price of the sign is built into the cost of the home. the agent could mark them up to make an extra couple of bucks on the sale and you can create new business for your company. the home owner thinks they're getting something for nothing and while they're on a " buyers high" would be very interested in making ther new home "personal". the signs could be of different price ranges also, a simple MDO sign for a less expensive home or a dimentional sign with landscaping for the higherpriced homes. even if you dont sell the idea to the agents / builders you can offer the sign idea to their customers. when you think of all the builders/ real estate agents there are the possibilities are endless.
Here's one more on a lesser scale, how about peronlized mailboxes as a housewarming gift from real estate agents, they could fill em with local discount dinner coupons, etc. kind of like the old welcome wagon basket idea. that one is a no-brainer! Mike
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ok, want another?? lets look at hotrodders, they love anything with flames, any of you who can do automotive paint or have access to automotive painter can do this. I was at a christmas party where we had to bring a gift to exchange, the party was with a group of hot rodders and their wives. I did a flamed toilet seat, all custom paint. you should have seen them fighting over it, and trying to buy it off the guy who got it. that got me to thinking, Again... hmm, I could knock these things out and sell em at the hot rod shops, shows etc. even advertise in the hotrod mags and sell em that way, or the internet. also custom painted ( hot rod art, flames etc.) panels framed ready to put on the wall. you could do a couple to begin with and put em in the hot rod shops to see how they sell. not only will you make more money, you can practice new ideas on panels before you find someone who wants the art on their vehicle.
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The hot rod art thing really seems to do well around these parts (oklahoma). It's even a great starter project at car shows when your trying to get business rolling early in the day. I've got a fairly steady stream of local car club guys that are always wanting toilet lids, mailboxes, ect. Here are a few more sugestions in that same vein that have done well for me: Telephones - the cheap $10 phones (blacks always nice)with flames and traditional striping; Folding chairs - believe it or not, this was real popular for a while with me, every body wanted custom painted folding chairs for their shops. Gloss black was hard to find (only found em at Target), but they were the most popular. For the women: flamed vases. Picked up a bunch of glass vases from a neighbor that was moving, flamed it and gave it to a local carshow for their womens table, they went ape. They make good gifts for they ladies who help host these panel jams, gave one to Jennifer Bond at their event last year. Oh, and trash cans, and there are some really cool metal CD cases out now for about $10. You can even sell people the idea that you can match the pinstriping your doing on their car on their item of choice. Imagine doing flames on a car, and convicing them to have you do a tool box, fire extingisher, CD case, and folding chair to match. Also, an idea I've kicked around with Joey Hutson myself, having prints made. I already do this with my fine art stuff, but what about some of the stuff we do on panels. Right now I work with a local company that can turn out beautiful reproductions on 140 lb watercolor paper with a deckled edge in say about a 9 x 12 (good panel size) for about $9 (about .08 a sq in., you do the math for larger pieces). Mike, I know that your wildlife work would sell like hot cakes if you could offer prints. Just a few thoughts from my mind.
-------------------- Greg "Lil' Toot" Tuter Lil' Toot Auto Art Works Tulsa, OK Posts: 14 | From: Tulsa, OK | Registered: Nov 1999
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hey TOOT! how the hell are ya! I'll see you next weekend I'm sure thanks for the great ideas! here's another one I thought of a while ago. custom Yard sale signs, Now Wait a minute , hear me out! you take yor MDO, cut out a cartoon character or animal or something to catch the eye, have them holding a sign that you can put on low tack vinyl letters you can cusomise the sign for whatever they are doing, yard sale, garage sale whatever, the sign goes on their lawn with letter you can read! not done in fine tip felt marker. you can have an assortment of designs that can be rented from your shop. if it gets stolen, they own it!
you'd be suprised how many people will want to know where they got that COOL sign! rent em or sell em to those people who have that permanent yard sale going on. you can advertise the rental of these signs everywhere with a simple flyer. it sounds like a simple idea but people love stuff like that. OR, Happy birthday , over the hill signs or congrat's graduate signs or holiday signs with the same idea. the list is endless
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I like the idea Mike. There are even somethings that need caution stickers, though. I put a few different decals in a local surf/skate shop when I first started. I didn't amount to much because the owners fabricated boards and ordered rice paper decals for their purposes. It got me a few jobs when they opened a skate park, but they wanted eye candy and fancy names for the inside of the store. Any tried to pay low budget prices. Everytime my 9 year old has Rocket Power on the television, I get a vision of the 2 jerks that ran the place.
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If there are any custom painters out there when you go to old body shops or repair shops try to take a look in there break room for old refridgerators. They allways work great. I offer to trade them a newer style squere type. I can get them all the time for free to 30 bucks and the store ouner allways thinks they are updating for free. I then sit on it untill I find a customer with a cool paint job and plenty of cash. You would be surrprised at what they will pay for a matching beer fridge for the shop. You can even use old shifters for the door handles. Im doing one for a guy that looks like an old 5 cent coke machine. I am going to mount a box to the front that has the bottle opener like the real old ones. I know that this is kind of a big project but there fun to do.
-------------------- Ryan Young Indocil Art & Design indocil@comporium.net 803-980-6765
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Great idea Mike, to expound on kathy's post about mailboxes. here is one... I like those bread and butter accounts. one of mine is cutting numbers for 2 local ornamental iron companies that manufacture mailboxes. They will go into a new neighborhood and do every mailbox. i have been doing these for at least 10 years and it is quick easy money.(helps pay the bills)
these companies have been very consistent with their orders.
seek out those "bread and butter jobs" call your local iron shop today!
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It's a great idea Mike. Sometimes we get caught in a rut, doing the same type of work year after year. The first step to change is thinking outside the box.
I recommend we all post our ideas right here in this forum. Experience has taught us that users prefer to get their info in one spot instead of jumping between a bunch of speciality forums.
Let's decide on a "Post Title" for these marketing ideas. As time goes on, we'll move all your ideas to a special "read only" archive forum similar to the current Tips & Tricks Forum.
Reading the different posts within this thread reminded me of a conversation I had with Rick Glawson last year. There is a thin line between signwork and art. Rick crossed this line many years ago. Today his "signs" are found in private homes all over the country. Consider creating a product that appeals to the art collector.
I have some other ideas for future posts on this subject. Thanks for getting the ball rolling Mike.
-------------------- Steve Shortreed 144 Hill St., E. Fergus, Ontario Canada N1M 1G9 519-787-2673
I am under the impression that you don't see chalk board art on menu boards etc. in Restaurants and Take away food bars over there so I am setting up a step by step on a job I am doing that will be finished today. You will see it in the next few days.
I find these boards great fun and easy to do, they are a good sideline and were a big money spinner when they first took off over here, they are not as much in demand now tho.
RobC
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I've been trying to come up with something relatively cheap but not lame to give to customers. A lot of places do the magnetic business cards and if one more person gives me a coffee mug, pen or letter opener, I think I'll scream. I was trying to have it something useful and original. How about those break away knives you get at Lowes? I think they're 2/$1. Cut your name and number out of vinyl and stick it on there. I think these would work for any type of business your shop deals with. Garages, stores, even office staff always need a knife to cut open boxes.
Whatcha think?
Oh, one more thing. Does anyone know where I can get some nekkid lil' chizlers? I was thinking I would do my name & number on these to give to the auto body shops around here to peel stripes off when they need to. All the ones I have have the name of wherever I got them.
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I like to look at different business to see how closely related they are to what I can do. If I find some similarity, I go and speak to the manager to see which services, they are providing inhouse and which ones they outsource. It's suprising that many times what's outsources is right up your alley. Example: an awning maker usually outsources lettering. I try to find out what services they use, but don't produce in-house.
Offer your services to all the churches around town.
But there is a twist to this one. Do the banner on a durable product like Tyvek and add a Sharpie pen to it..
Now as the receiption gets under way the best man can take the banner down and pass it around the room for all the guest to sign or leave a message to the newly weds!
This is something they will have forever with all the guest wishing them well.
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Dana and i did that for our wedding with this twist... we took the "logo" from the invite and large format printed it on a piece of 24 x 36 inch satin vinyl.
We then stuck it to a piece of foamcore and left it on the the gift table with a couple of sharpie markers for people to sign it.
We have had several request for these from our friends that have gotten married. No paying ones yet but I could see that happening some time or another.
Sheesh... My brain is about to explode from all these great ideas! WOW!
Thanks all!
Have a great one!
-------------------- Bruce Bowers
DrCAS Custom Lettering and Design Saint Cloud, Minnesota
"Things work out best for the people who make the best of the way things work out." - Art Linkletter
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"Ideaville"..... a new subdivision in Letterville.
For freebies, we cut up scrap 3mil sintra, 4"x6", 3/8" radius corner-cut them, one colour screenprinted, "FrostMaster" - digital ice scraper with our logo and other info. Rounded corners so no gouging window rubber. Digital? you hold it in your fingers. Plus, 8 scraping edges. We put them into orders we sent out, or direct to customer. Don't forget to tell them to "write" with their finger in the frost first. Stop. John
-------------------- John Lennig / Big Top Sign Arts 5668 Ewart Street, Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada bigtopya@hotmail.com 604.451.0006
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You can cut out the pieces of the logo and string them up so they hang right and add copper tubes (an energy balancing metal) across the bottom...at least, that's what a friend of mine did for me when I was using the silver eagle logo. I put it in front of my house and folks were fascinated by it when they came by. Mine was cut out of thick gauge steel, but you could make it out of wood, plexiglass, whatever you have layin around. Some that look like stained glass would look kewl, too! Just tell the customer that a wind chime over their door balances the chi (energy) when the door rings it and their logo would be the bomb! Let's bring back custom stuff!
And clocks could be done with logos as well...I wish I had the tools to do wood carving, etc!
Oops, another brain fart, had I been born a sand blaster I would be trying to get folks to let me etch the glass over their front doors...like for instance the Last name of the family and the year the home was established. I've thought about that for years, after a couple I knew in the mountains were afraid of their property being taken by developers, if it had been an "historic site," then it wouldn't have been an issue.
Mailboxes are fun to do, but I've seen a few wooden creations that sit on mailboxes, like Christmas for example, one neighbor had a Rudolph head that sat on the mailbox...why not a cupid, a fire cracker or a pumpkin? A set of twelve could be fun to create! Again, their company logo, finely crafted, might be nice.
How about some little cut outs around the mailbox or in the bushes area around the house? Down here, it's so hot and dry over the summer, it's hard to keep the grass alive, not to mention flowerdy stuff. Why not paint little spikes to look like flowers, pansies, lavender, etc.
I was thinking about making a sign for our 6 foot privacy fence that said "Beware of the Dog," and painting a picture of George in the center of it, with his name in a ribbon under his smiling face. Some dog owners might pay a big coin to have that done.
Then there's always goofy signs you could do, like "Don't eat off the floor!" I made that for somebody when I was 19, as a joke, and they still have it proudly displayed in their kitchen. I did it with saloon style lettering and used an old knocked up piece of wood. They loved it to death!
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Folks all I can say that the best idea is useless, if you don't give it a try. In the mid to late 60's, a friend of mine came up with an idea to rent a small storefront in a strip shopping center and set up a couple of popcorn makers and flavor popcorn. There had been a local radio personality that had been of the air for a few years named Poppa Stoppa and my friend wanted that to be the name of the business. The twist was that he wanted to get part-timers to deliver this flavored popcorn, in king sized bags, to peoples houses on their own motorbikes. Real business people told him it would never work.
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Along with Stephen's idea about the banners at the churches, hit the local tuxedo rental and wedding/bridesmaid dress shops. I know the local dress shop here has the card boxes for rental and even sell the glasses for the wedding party.
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This could also make a great book. e.g. tips and tricks. The internet is O.K., but a good book always seems much better. Pics of examples would be a great addition.
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I have an Idea that I am working on as we speak!
But the thing is that I cannot tell you about it until I have the copyright and Industrial patients to it first.
It will require some investment to project the item. A small investment will give you a heavenly reward.
I have to talk to my Attorney /Barrister first.
Making sure that the "Waiver" given to you all that are interested will not be breeched.
This is the first step over a matter of time.
The initial cost set up is around $750,000 to 1,500,000 dollars. I am not sure yet on machinery and Add placement for this product.. But sooner or later everyone will like to have or use one!
And it does involve the Graphics Industry!
-------------------- Stephen Deveau RavenGraphics Insinx Digital Displays
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