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Hi Folks, This is the first time I am posting and this is my first computer, PLEASE go easy on me! Icalled Jill Welsh the other day and asked if there was any way that I could help with the Meet On Mars. (Maybe not the smartest move) She asked me to organize a dimensional/carving area with some projects and programs and stuff. I don't have big meet experience. Before Milwaukee, the biggest meet Iwent to was at Mikes in Rochester. I was the only one carving there! (Pinhead Summit and I'm the only carver there? Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaah) So I've done a lot of smaller meets With Bill Ridel the only other carver around(how many more do you need if Bill is there?) Sooooooo, What kind of projects would you like to work on? Workshops? Seminars? Demonstrations? Please let me know so that we can bring this thing off. Thank You, Joe
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Joe, Carving incised stars seems like a great place for beginners. There are tapering cuts and precision inside corners and cuts across grain and no curves.
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Thanks Rick. Good idea! You could use a skew or a straight chisel or even a knife. More tools to go around. I'm making a list. Keep the ideas coming. Thanks, Joe
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Just kiddin' Joe, I just really wouldn't know where to start. I'll be happy with just seeing you work.
Another thing, I can't seem to find that V type chisel you told me to get. Where can I buy it? We just bought some straight cheapos from Home Depot & carved this scenery with them & a dremel. I'll post the photos when we're done (hopefully next week)
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Felix, I foundd a source for the swiss carving tools that doesn't rip you off. Their web site is, Http;//www.woodcarvingbiz.com/supply.htm, Phone 250-768-0518. I just buoght 7 tools that were sent to 2 diffrent adresses.$117!, Can't beat it with a stick. Buying cheap carving tools is a false economy. Not only with this job, but with every one you do in the future with cheap tools......you will pay and pay and pay. It just doesn't make good business sense. Annnnnnnd, it just ain't no fun! If you would like a basic list of tools, come back at me and I'll be happy to help out. Later, Joe
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Felix, The best V chisels were available from The Japanese Wood worker in California. Several years ago they showed a set in their catalog. They had a 45 degree angle called a rake. In other words, looking at the chisel from the side it had this angle for smoother slicing through the wood. Now they only make them with a 90 degree angle and you would have to grind it down yourself. They do not even show them in the catalog anymore. You have to special order them. If you are still interested, and want to go through the trouble, give me a holler and I'll gladly give you the address.
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Betty, Love to help out but I need to know, Wood or foam or both? The approximate size of a typical piece(bigger or smaller that 2') and typical thickness, or do you just want a small set just to give carving a try? Hey Bill, Thanks for the additional info. Some one told me a while back that they thought that Paul White was having them made and he is selling them. Don't know for sure, check it out Felix! Later, Joe
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Joe, Since I did not see a post by Betty I will assume this is for me. Demo in wood, about 2' or smaller. My Grandmother had a small set, but I do not know where it went when she died. I would carve small things but never had anyone to show me what each tool did. Thanks,
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Dear Debbie, (sorry about the "Betty"), since you have set in mind, go to this web site and scroll down the home page and I think you might find the tools you are looking for. These are top end tool and if in the future you want to unload them, they will be sellable. Makin Chips, Joe
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Sorry, I just had a senior moment, Sunday night, a couple of....never mind. The web site is www.woodcarvingbiz.com/supply.htm. Sorry, Makin Chips, Joe
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This would pertain to what has to happen PRIOR to carving...
It might be nice to see:
Surface prep prior to painting, staining, gilding, or sandblasting. This could involve all aspects of (in the case of real wood) what to look for and how to arrange grain patterns before glue-up, how much sanding is necessary for a particular kind of finish and the recommended grits to use, the kinds of primers available and their proper use, advantages and drawbacks with particular kinds of wood or foam.
Another resource for woodworking supplies like chisels and gouges (in addition to tons of other stuff) is Woodworkers Supply Inc. They have a catalog and their phone is 1 800 645-9292. The web site is www.woodworker.com
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Al and Empy, Thanks for the input! Empy, all we have to do is add design and "The Sale" and we will have a 5 day Boot Camp! Hahahahahahahaha! If we squeezed all of that into one workshop, we would have to do a lot of skimming. Lack of details would render the presentation useless. Also, there wouldn't be a lot of hands-on. How is this idea? Since we now have a choice of substraights, with even more and better products coming into the trade every day,(have you heard about Ultra Tex yet?) It would take a long time to discuss the the advantages and best use and finishing of each. However, this information can be gleaned easily from all the trade mags and the manufactures tek help. Iwould like to spend as much time teaching hand carving and sculpting surface decoration, which you can't learn from a tec rep. It is also the skill that can seperate you from the next guy and it will add a premium to your work. On a personal note, (everyone has their own way, this is mine) I don't worry about sanding my carvings because I don't have to. All of the surfaces are left from single edge tools,chisels, gouges and khives. You can't leave a smoother surface on wood than with a single edge tool.(sanding has to scratch the wood to work) Also, sanding is an additional step that I don't get paid for. I believe that when you are done carving, you should be DONE! Put the money in your [pocket and go home. I use the woodworkers Supply catalog too. Good selection, good prices, great service and BAD carving tools. Try ing to carve with the tools that are offered in this catalog will be a fruitless endevor. Try to learn to paint with a brush that has half it's hairs coated with dried paint. It is the design of the tools that are flawed. I'll show you at Sign World or on MARS. Wow, let me catch my breath. That was a long wind job! OK, now....do you really still want to talk about wood? Is it still important in the trade? What do you think? Thanks again for the come back Al and Empy, Makin Chips, Joe
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Joe, I looked at the site but did not see any sets. What would you recommend as a basic set of tools? I would prefer the swiss ones since I like their knifes. Quote "If you would like a basic list of tools, come back at me and I'll be happy to help out. Later, Joe" So, I am asking for a basic list of 6 or 7 tools. I have wood that I can carve or use for camping wood. And I want to watch you do hand carving in Mars. Thanks, Debbie
Alan, The link did not work for me either. But when I went to the home page then supplies it worked. Debbie
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Debbie, This is the set that I use every day(it is the same one I just buoght for my son). Straight gouges...#5 20mm, #3 12mm, #9 7mm,...Fishtail gouge, #7 8mm and a "V" parting tool #12 6mm. I also use a Warren JW2 with a custom blade( you said you have a knife so I won't need to tell you where to get this. If you begin to do a lot of letter carving, You may need 2 or three more. Each tool can be used in many different ways to accomplish different tasks. Books don't usually do a good job of explaining the diffrent functions, videos are very good because you can replay lessons and with patience you can pick up a lot of suttulties. Workshops will help give you a good start and "Boot Camps" are intense. I've never heard of Hackberry wood and I can't find it in any of my books so I can't really give you an opinion. I hope this helps! Makin Chips, Joe
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Joe, Thanks! This is a big help. Hackberry is a very hard wood. I had one person refuse to cut the tree because it would be too hard. Three different people started cutting on the trunk but gave up after a while. I guess it was too much work for the wood. It burns slowly and nice for cooking firewood when camping. So I am not complaining about them not taking what wood was cut so far. I have several knifes so I may have one like yours. I will check it out. I will check the library for videos. I hope to make it to Mars in August. Thanks, Debbie
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