I have a customer that wants me to use some Formica® as a sign background. I have never tried this before and was wondering if any of you have tried it. I would prefer to hand paint the sign, how well will the One shot stick to it? IF the customer insists on vinyl, how well will it stick to the Formica? What would you recommend to glue the Formica to MDO or treated plywood? What kind of glue did you use?
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Most of the Formica type laminates are not rated for outdoor use, so be careful if that is the plan.
We have used Formica and similar laminates indoors for years with fully satisfactory results. We use either medex, pvc, or acrylic as the backer depending on other job requirements. We normally use mactac as the adhesive, but contact cement works just fine.
Vinyl sticks to it and does not "fall off". The vinyl peels off easily and cleanly, so Formica is good for suite id's and directories where the names change from time to time.
In the beginning we cut the substrate to shape, applied the formica, and cut to shape with a pilot bit router. Now we glue the stuff up, throw it on the router table, and do the whole job in one pass.
You have to paint the edges because the raw formica edge is not attractive. You could also finish the edges with Formica if there is money in the job for the extra work. It's not hard as long as you have the right tools.
-------------------- Victor Georgiou Danville, CA , USA
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Formica is made for countertops.Countertops are made for indoor use..Id keep this in mind. I have a friend who makes formica countertops all the time.He uses contact cement to glue it to the sub top..usually flakeboard. this again is interior stuff... Why formica...? Be careful...there's a lot of proven substates available. Who's gonna be the guinea pig here? To change the subject...Im a traditional archer from way back....I could use a stick or three of nice straight Osage Orange....Bodark???(Wood of the Bow.....)
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i have to agree with victor and bubba boone. formica is for counter tops. i don't believe it will withstand the punishment as an outdoor sign substrate.
UV rays as well as constant bombardment of the elements.(namely moisture)
if the sign customer requires a formica pattern(finish) this can be achieved with faux finish techniques on a weatherproof substrate.
just my 2 cents after some great advice from the guys above.
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Oh my gawd... I bit my tongue on the melamine post, but that was only because I felt for that person.
My first technical sign related question was advice for vinyl on "malamite"... you see I live next to the original Tim Allen, my father out law, and HE had decided he was gonna make his signs himself outta melamine and I could "help" him apply the vinyl... I came here for advice for Dad and I heard about that one for years! A sign on "Malamute", "Mellamutt" yada yada yada... they were very funny, yet relentless.
The welcome to counter top signs side of the Moon
May they be a gentler kinder bunch to you.
(all in light humor and jest... in case you didn't get it)
-------------------- The Moon aka: Stefenie Harris Moonlight Designs Pollock Pines, CA learnin' somethin' new every day! stefenie@comcast.net
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All good advice. If it's going outside - Don't do it and sxve both of you a lot of grief. If the formica is already in situ - like a store fascia, think of advising some sort of fabricated lettering fixed on rather than glued on. Even then be wary of how the formica has been fixed ,laminated etc. You don't want to be re-doing your side of the job when the stuff is 'Blowing in the Breeze'. was that Bob Dylan.
-------------------- Goldenmahl Dave Hodge's Traditional Signs. Preston, England. 01772 743352 Posts: 108 | From: Preston, Lancashire, England | Registered: Mar 2000
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Many years ago there was an advertisement in Signs of the Times from a relatively new company called Gregory. This add had a big heading reading “VINYL LETTERING IS FOR THE BIRDS.” That got my attention. As I went on to read the ad it said “That’s what I thought until….. so mention this ad and get 50% off your first order to find out how right I am.” I laughed at how I got sucked into that ad, then went about my way.
Soon a job came in with different colored strips of Formica as facings on shelves for an upcoming convention display. I remembered the ordeal of getting 1shot to stick to formica and also the problem of it often never drying. Seemed like the time to try that sticky back stuff.
I measured the faces and looked at the typefaces and made a selection and placed the order.
Day after day went by and I started getting nervous about meeting my deadline. I phoned and the goods had been shipped several days previously. Finally, the day before they were due, this long manila envelope arrived containing the vinyl letters. Well, I opened the package and admired the perfection of the clarendon bold and figured out how to apply them. The first went good, second better. As I got to the last one, I found the line of letters six inches longer than the panel. There was no way of tightening the letter or word spacing to accommodate the situation.
I peeled the vinyl off all the panels and washed them down, first with soap, then Bon Ami, followed by a wipe of lacquer thinner. I added enough lacquer thinner to the dark brown enamel to heat it without curdling it, and still leaving enough body to letter. I stayed up most of the night, listening to be bop with the fire crackling and lettering these shelf faces. The fan behind the stove blew warmed air across the panels and in a couple hours they were dry and at nine that morning they were en route to the airport.
I sent a note to Leon Gregory reading…….“VINYL LETTERING IS FOR THE BIRDS.”
-------------------- The SignShop Mendocino, California
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I tried using Formica as an exterior substrate about 10 years ago. I had some misgivings when I made the sign and it turned out I had good cause. The sign failed badly in about six months. Formica is for interior use only.
-------------------- Jerry Mathel Retired Grants Pass, Oregon signs@grantspass.com Posts: 916 | From: Grants Pass, OR USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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