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Damn, I submitted my post before I read Glenn's last response.. and I HAVE to say.. EXACTLY! ... except what you fail to realize is: it's the USA who is considered the bully in this case. Bullies don't sneak in your house while you're not home and poison your dog. You described bullies very clearly. Bullies are the ones who topple your gov't and replace it with the puppets of their choice. Yes.. this is how the USA is perceived by a great deal of the middle eastern people.. What are you proposing? That we kill them ALL? Sorry.. I need a solution that makes sense. You say that wisdom is more important than intelligence... well, show me wisdom, and I'll show you the perfection of intelligence coupled with experience, and a great deal of critical thinking. LE
-------------------- LazyEdna in RL known as Sara Straw from southern Utah 5 National Parks within 3 hours drive Red Rock Heaven Posts: 776 | From: Aurora, Utah, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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quote:We are bombing Afghanistan. Did Afghanistan mastermind the terrorist attack?
No. They chose to protect the terrorists. In the US, protecting a murderer makes you an accomplice and subject to the same penalty.
Ask Michael Jordan about Larry Martin Demery.
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LE,
We are not the bully. In what way did the US bully bin Laden and the other terrorists that justifies killing innocent civilians?
What is bin Laden's reason? In his own words....
1) We support the right of Israel to exist. 2) We have a military base or two in Saudi Arabia with the permission of the Saudi leadership. 3) Anyone who is "Christian" or "Jewish" is an enemy of Islam and must die.
We helped Afghanistan repel the Soviet invasion. We helped the muslim people of Kuwait repel an invader. We helped defend the Muslims of Bosnia from genocide from the Serbs. We paid Afghanistan millions upon millions not to grow poppy (heroin). A million people did not die as a result of a lack of food or medicine due to US sanctions imposed on Iraq.
Sorry. But you are wrong. Very wrong.
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Glenn, very good post. I think you summed it all up perfectly with your life experiance. One thing though that I'm sure you've wondered as well. Is it just me, or do liberal pacifists like to take a single phrase and base their entire point on it absolute meaning, and completely miss not only the whole picture, but the fact that allot of these phrases are spoken with loose meaning and can be interpreted in many ways? Just a thought.
LE... In all your intilectual capacity, can you please inform us of just how you would handle this situation?
Oh, one more thing.... We ARE actively seaking out Osama Bin Laden, the Al Queda, the Taliban etc... and yes these targets are in Afghanistan. If these targets were in Iraq would it be we still be wrong for "bombing Iraq"? You seem to want to make it sound like we are blindly blowing all of Afghanistan to bits, and pointlessly blowing rubble into greater rubble.
If there were a Terroriststan or Bin-Ladenville would it then be ok with you? Could we then pursue our action of seaking out a Criminal if he were in a country without civillians?
I don't claim to be brilliant here, but I do think Glenn struck gold when he observed that it is Wisdom that matters here. Knowing when to fight and when not to. Am I a non thinker because I fully support the belief that now is the time? Should we not believe in our nations leaders? I think we should always be aware of what is going on, and yes we should question their plans, and actions, but when the answers are satisfactory to a majority, will we still be called non-thinkers?
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Roger, you know you won't get much of an answer, if at all.
Thanks for posting the info on the terrorism law LE. That's the best news I've seen in a while. I hope it includes virus creators/senders as well. It's about damn time. We tried the liberal approach and look where it got us. Clinton offered alot of lip service instead of action, that sure scared the terrorists off didn't it ? Protecting civil rights is important but I for one am sick and tired of courts bending over backwards for those who just want to cause problems. I don't know if the law is still this way, but the way it was someone could get raped and they couldn't even get a court ordered aids test on the creep. Let's punish criminals for a change, and that goes double for the Taliban and gang. Sweet talkin' ain't gonna make much of an impression on them.
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Here's a question I have for the esteemed Intellectuals of the world.....
In Baghdad there is a hospital. This hospital does its best every day to service the needs of its patients everyday. However, the ruler of Bahgdad decided to construct a nuclear weapons facility underneath the hospital.
This ruler has shown in the past that he has no problem with attacking his neighbors without provocation. He's done it before. This ruler has even boasted that if he ever does get "the bomb", that he would not be afraid to use it. In fact, he intends to use it when he gets the chance.
Query: What would an Intellectual do? What would be the intellectual solution?
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I would like to take this opportunity to agree with LE, Myra, and others who share their thoughts. WAR is horrible, and there has to be a better way. As soon as ANYONE comes up with this solution, I'll give 110% of my support!
UNTIL someone, anyone, can offer that solution, I support the current action 110%.
Maybe I'm just not educated enough to understand?
Yup, pretty much the response I expected!
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I believe Mr. Fair and I may share the same legal council, so...
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I know this is not the appropriate thread to ask for help, but since some of the contributors above appear to be rather knowledgeable about Afghanistan affairs, I thought maybe, just maybe, someone could confirm a rumor I heard. I believe I was informed that Afghanistan will be hosting a rather large International Airshow (or may already be hosting.) I think I was also informed that the United States of America, at the urging of a high percentage of citizens, would have a very strong showing. Other esteemed countries are to participate to truly make it like no other International Airshow witnessed in a long time. If I heard correctly, the hosting government may act in such a manner to help prolog this Airshow. I’m curious, has anybody else heard this?
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-------------------- Bob Gilliland InKnowVative Communications Harrisburg PA, USA
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Hey L.E., just like I thought, once again you post your view of this countrys' past and present efforts toward finding a way to STOP the agresion in the middle east,not to mention the genocide.
BUT, (like a political scholar,you dance around our question, and avoid a direct answer! Instead you tell us "you will need a better plan" ? L.E. are you now or have you ever been in politics ? Maybe you should consider it !!
Still waiting for YOUR better idea(s) !!
Roger
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Heck, I may as well let you off the hook L.E., cause we are BOMBING (as well as a number of other stratigies) and though you are intitled to an opinion of your own, it really dosn't matter!!!
Roger
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I am not a war monger. I hold prayers in my heart for world peace in my childrens lifetime. But like Coop, & many others I agree that the current course of action is acceptable.
I could read a bunch of books, articles, or websites & be presumptious enough to second guess our President, military leaders & foriegn policy analysts? But there's enough pompous armchair saviors spouting that kind of stupidity already.
Like the saying goes..."if your not part of the solution, your part of the problem"
LE says:
quote: Sorry.. I need a solution that makes sense. You say that wisdom is more important than intelligence... well, show me wisdom, and I'll show you the perfection of intelligence coupled with experience, and a great deal of critical thinking.
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LE: About our bombing of Afghanistan, Bush stated a month ago that we were going after the terrorists and we would not differentiate between the terrorists and THOSE WHO HARBOR THEM. Enough said.
My grandfather used to tell my mom, her sister and brother that if they had been in a fight in school he would know about it before they got home and they would be asked 3 questions. The answers had better be No, Yes, Yes (in that order) or your butt was his.
Did you start it? Did you finish it? Did you win?
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What I would like to know is why do protesters walk around with banners saying "Fight for Peace"??Duh
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I think I was also informed that the United States of America, at the urging of a high percentage of citizens, would have a very strong showing. Other esteemed countries are to participate to truly make it like no other International Airshow witnessed in a long time. If I heard correctly, the hosting government may act in such a manner to help prolog this Airshow. I’m curious, has anybody else heard this? 
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