Lately I've seen way to much disrespect going on here to fellow letterheads. WAY too much.

as an example Joey Madden made a post about his member number, for what ever his reason, which is not up to me to explain, he vented about being number 1192. Some of you took this as an oppurtunity to bash, slander, character assasinate, and manipulate a fellow letterhead.

Some of you even went as far as to use the generosity of fellow letterheads as a reason he ought to be " happy ".

Just so some of you know, Joey sent me a killer kart for the main part of the computer,Joey offred me a nice killer kart in exchange for the computer. I welcomed the killer kart and Joey welcomed the computer. Nobody owes nobody nothing. Others donated parts and offered money to help a fellow letterhead in tough times. Which I'm sure was greatly appreciated.

Then when he gets back on his feet, and has a complaint and posts about it, it's open season on his character, and let's make him feel like he has to be nice just because we gave something.

Another fellow letterhead walked away from this board unanounced recently because of some people's lack of respect.

Lets all try to act like the adults we're pretending to be people.

And that goes for respecting Steve's decision to delete this post if he sees fit. It IS his board don't ya know.

I'm going out for some air it's starting to really stink in here.

[ September 25, 2001: Message edited by: Bob Rochon ]

Thanks to steve who wisely removed a post that said less than flattering things to fellow lettervillians.

[ September 25, 2001: Message edited by: Mikes Mischeif ]

[ September 25, 2001: Message edited by: Mikes Mischeif ]

[ September 26, 2001: Message edited by: CJ Allan ]

A post like Joey's should never have been posted on the BB. It was a question that only I could answer. An e-mail or phone call would have been a better way to handle a situation like that.

Everyone needs to remember that Letterville is our on-line version of a Letterville meet. Anyone who has ever hosted a live meet knows they are free to run that meet anyway they choose. We go to Letterhead and PinHead meets to exchange information and have fun.

The problems start when we loose track of what unites us as Letterheads. In our daily lives, we wear many hats. We come from many different countries and cultures, different religious beliefs and different political views. These are the things that divide us.

We attend all sorts of live meets each year. I'm sure there are political and religious discussions going on in small groups, but it's private stuff. It's much different here at the BullBoard. When you say something here, it is like you have the microphone at a live meet. Everyone gets to hear what you say.

Some have asked for an OT forum here in Letterville and we have always declined. I've never seen a special room for political or religious discussions at a real meet. Letterville is not in the political/religion business. Our business is promoting the Letterhead movement and doing all we can to bring us together.

In the weeks before Sept.11, we had already started to deal with the OT posts. The events in NY and Washington will affect us all and I wanted you all to be able to express your anger and fears here among friends.

We have something very special here in Letterville. It's important we reflect on all the positive things that have happened in all our lives as a result of this meeting place. We already have a couple simple Laws Of Letterville that you all agreed to when registering to post here. We have to do a better job of enforcing those rules.

We can sit and argue all day, but we do have the final say on how this BB operates. It's free to all and all our welcome to participate. If your goal is to learn things that improve the quality of your work and bottom line, you will feel very welcome here.

[ September 26, 2001: Message edited by: CJ Allan ]

You hate the way I moderate the BB.

You hate the way I run HeadTV.

You hate the term PinHead...that ones not my fault.

There has to be something you like about Letterville to post almost 600 times.

Have you ever considered putting your neck on the line and hosting your own BB and/or live meet. Maybe you'll even invite me so I can point out everything that don't meet my standards.

[ September 26, 2001: Message edited by: CJ Allan ]

Don't you see it building up again.
Nobody will get in the last lick on this kind of fight. It'll get worse and worse till there's warring camps. We are ALL Letterheads. There aren't good ones and bad ones, right ones and wrong ones. We're not members, visitors, moderators, vendors, active posters and onlookers, we're just Letterheads.

I plan on participating in my community with the same civility, decorum and get this - diplomacy, as I expect in return. I learned a long time ago on this board that butting heads just makes us into butt heads. The price for speaking your mind is to mind what you speak. When you don't, you'll end up in scenes like this. Uncomfortable at best.

[ September 25, 2001: Message edited by: Joe Rees ]

You know, when I brought up this same topic two years ago I got my rear end bored out cleanly. All of a sudden it seems it is the RIGHT thing to do (by keeping the personal attacks to emails, leave the insults and OT stuff alone if it fires you up, be kind to your fellow Letterhead and disagree in a polite fashion, etc). I was told by numerous "regulars" here to "quit scolding everyone and mind your(my)own damn business". OUCH!!

Why the change of heart friends? Don't get me wrong, I agree 100% with things like this from Jim Upchurch: "CJ, you need to take your personal beefs to email, man. It ain't polite to air out your dirty laundry in public."

I just hope Jim doesn't get the same treatment I did back then. Almost all of it was quite blunt - and very cruel. It seemed to me that nobody wanted to "read" exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks, Bob Rochon - for bringing up an old - but still relevant subject. I feel vindicated!!

I'm glad to see that we're all "getting it" now. Do unto others . . . is the old saying. Makes me think there's a lot of sado-masochists lurking these parts that like the abusing AND the abuse. Well, the majority here dislike both quite strongly it seems.

So why is it that in every phase of life (not just here!) its the minority that are always the ones to make the most noise? I feel that if we are spending time on a "Letterhead" website, we should act responsibly - just like we do (before noon-haha) at meets?

The spirit isn't the same when people (with so much in common) choose to shout insults to one another on an industry BB. It boggles the mind. Life's too short, people. Quit being a keyboard terrorist.

I never thought I'd quote a crack-smoking junkie like Rodney King but his words DO still ring true: "Can't we all just get along people, PLEASE?"

Sometimes when you plant a seed it takes a while for the plant to grow and then the flower to bloom.

I personally don't know joey all that well, what I do know is that from time to time he seems to go of the deep end about something or another. we all do I suppose. I personally dont give a rats backside what freakin number i'm assigned by this board. I do care about the education and helping of others and all around fellowship I and all of you get on this board as well as chat. I've seen this place go through major changes as in the way this board is layed out as well as the familiar faces that used to be here , sharing , learning and laughing with us. but now a lot of them have dropped off due to some of the childish things and the mudslinging that goes on here now.

I personally miss seeing them here and hope someday they'll return. and let me state for the record here I'M BY NO MEANS PERFECT EITHER. get it? but I will not be whining about something as trivial as a number assigned to my name, or why I'm not getting credit for helping people here with my years of expertise in my own field. when I came here I agreed to contribute my know how, or opinion , or advise. and nowhere did I see a score board tallying up credit points for doing so. I do it because I want to, its not a requirement to participate here. I'm also sure that everybody here who's contributed in a small way or large is appreciated by everybody!

Heck maybe I was wrong, but thats ok, cause I was lookin at the "bright" (or UP side) and that brought me a smile !!
Sooooo whoooo caressss !!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h

[ September 26, 2001: Message edited by: CJ Allan ]

I explained that I had enough violence in my childhood to last me and 3 other folks a lifetime and I wasn't gonna sit in on it anymore.

I've written replies to posts in an effort to show just how ridiculous and out of hand some of these posts get.

It's gotten to the point that chat isn't fun anymore. On several occasions, I've been asked if I'd seen a controvertial post (pick one, there's usually plenty to choose from) and told how ridiculous it's getting. Well, don't enlist me to interceed anymore...I've typed till I'm blue in the face.

I've been here since november 1998. I spent a lot of time here, I had nothing else to do, I was bedridden. I got attached to a lot of really nice folks, whom I think of as family, if you will. Most of them are missing in action. Thanks! Thanks a lot!

My students got to see you guys work your adolescent magic and have absolutely no respect for those of you have participated in the childish behavior I've been witnessing for years.

It's not going to stop is it? Asking everyone to be professional and curteous is just too much ask...or so it seems.

I live in a country that was founded under God, with Liberty and Justice for all. Freedom of religion...blah blah blah. Yeah right, looking at this BB makes me cry. That's why I don't look anymore.

Sometimes it takes me up to 20 minutes to make it to my puter, from the next room. For what, I ask...same ole crap...every time.

I have enjoyed seeing pics of beautiful work and asking the artists how they accomplished it, or how to acquire the tools to acheive the same effects.

But it's like walking through a mine field. So many egos and so many attitudes. I'll just remain an occasional lurker and applaud the peace makers for awhile!

Steve, ya got yer work cut out for you. I had wished so much better for you and Barb, especially with your loving devotion and hardships you've had to endure just to draw breath another day.

I pray a peaceful day for you both...and I appreciate all the hard decisions you've had to make so we could have a safe place to play and learn. I am so sorry it back fired tremendously and I hope I get an email from somebody letting me know that everybody quit attacking each other, and learned how to comfort each other and teach without assualt. That's my dream.

We've suffered a great tragedy, and it's normal for people to get angry and act upon that emotion. That anger can fuel a lot of great works, and friendships.

It's a shame, the talent is so breathtaking and the souls so beautiful. The bs sucks...and again I'm dissapointed to see it still raging.

I was so impressed with Stephen's apology, and Ray's work on the portfolio page. The questions that get asked that I don't understand...I learn so much from them. I can't begin to describe the all the ways this BB has benefited me, yet a poisoned well is just that.

I miss you too, Mike. I miss encouraging you, and being encouraged as well.

Anybody wants to stay in touch with me, write down my email and my cell phone number. I'll check back from time to time, just not as often...it's too disgusting.

(haha...jk)

Well said Linda.....

I heard a shrink on TV today say that some ppl are going to react with outbursts of anger and rage even to family and friends...normal considering...

I like this place, and consider myself a guest as well as a family member.

I think of all of you as family and colleagues.

Some I haven't met, Some I've gotten to know well and have formed strong bonds of friendship with.

Gee, I just don't know what else to say.....hope things level out and return to a normalcy soon...I hate to see friends leave town

Adrienne

[ September 26, 2001: Message edited by: AdrienneMorgan ]