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Ok, so war had been declared on "terrorists" world-wide.Now the question is just WHO qualifies for that label??? The focus this past week has been almost exclusively on Bin Laden and Afghanistan. What status does the IRA in Ireland have in this day and age?? And what about the Basque separatists in Spain, or the Tamil Tigers in Shri Lanka? The IRA has been around so long that they've even inspired songs and movies chronicleing their struggles. Some view them as terrorists, while others hold them out as patriots struggling to regain an independent state. One thing is certain. They've seen their share of casualties, and inflicted their share as well. Will they make "the list"??
How about another little group known in the past as the Sandanista Guerillas? Weren't they the ones who received arms and training from none other than the CIA?? Remember the testimony of Oliver North and the revelations that he made about this bunch? I wonder if they'll qualify?
The CIA has had a past record of funding, equipping, and training such groups as far back as the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, and maybe beyond. They've done so whenever if was seen to be in the economic or military interest of the United States to do so. I'm now wondering if any of their recent or present list of "associates" will qualify??
I know that the initial reaction will be one of denial, but there has been a history of U.S. involvement with groups that might be considered "terrorists" by other members of the world community.
The CIA has been largely silent this past week, and since this terrorist act happened "on their watch", I'm wondering why they've not been called to account for their lack of knowledge. It's supposedly their mandate to be aware of threats originating abroad. Si has contended that the Israelis know a lot about what's happening in the Middle East. Does the CIA not communicate or share such information with them, or do the Israelis not trust them?
The question remains to be answered. Just who does this declaration of war involve???
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An interesting question Ken. I hadn't thought about the ramifications of a "world-wide" war on terrorists.
It will be interesting to hear other folk's thoughts.
My opinion, and it is only a thought really, is that this will probably be a war on terrorists "world-wide" that have, in the past and might in the future, be a threat to the USA. It is precipitated, after all, by a direct attack on the U.S.A. and I can understand if that is the way things develop.
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Good question. Short answer...I haven't a clue. I think that for right now the US needs to concentrate on Bin Laden. As I see it, the US doesn't need to get involved in other country's terrorists problems unless asked and if there were a world-wide concensus.
I'd like to think that the US was trying to do "the right thing" back when it first supported the creation of a Jewish nation.
Just goes to show ..... no matter what good the intentions are, there is always somebody who is going to slap you for it and a bureaucrat to take advantage of the situation.
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Terrorism has many different facets and degrees of gravity. Your vehicles being vandalized in your own driveway is a form of terrorism. Being bullied as an 8 year old, day in and day out is terrorizing. What happened on tuesday was the ultimate of terrorism. All of these acts have to be eliminated at the source! The world is comprised of a multitude of nationalities and values. "THEIR" (as in culprits) values are obviously not the same as ours. Unfortunately not much can be done about it aside from being on our guards at all times while trying to eradicate the rotten apples as we go! Hopefully things will work out for the best but we all have a roll to play in this scenario. Don't put up with any of it, whether it's your kid being picked on or that your national security is at stake. Fight it!
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Along the same lines of your post, I'm kinda curious about some of the ramifications of this "war on terrorism." Five days ago, Nato invoked Article Five. Are we willing to send American troops to countries like Turkey to fight terrorism?
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There are a whole lot of possibilities of just who might be tagged with this "label". The Turkish government is having a problem with the Kurds. I may be wrong, but are these not the same people who also occupy the northern portion of Iran? If so, they are also the ones protected by the current "no-fly zone" and shielded from attack by Sadam Hussein's forces. On one hand, they are viewed as those most likley to overthrow Sadam Hussein. From the Turkish viewpoint, they are terrorists. Governments around the world could identify as terrorists, any faction they're having a "problem" with, and incite those bent on weeding out terrorism to attack those so identified.
Before any action is taken, there must be some standard set and defined. This will not be a war in the conventional format. Terrorism, and those who embrace it are international in scope, and they operate in a multitude of jurisdictions. It is a philosophy of war that has no respect for borders or boundaries. They also have no regard for the loss of life or property. It is a world-wide problem, and must be eradicated as a form of warfare.
Part of the problem is the fact that past governments have encouraged and supported such groups. They've been "useful" whenever another government has to be de-stabilized or overthrown.A significant number of world powers have been jumping in and out of bed with terrorist factions for some time now. These terrorists have THEIR OWN agendas, and will not hesitate to turn on those who think they are controlling them. They are capable of loyalty only to their "cause", and therefore are extremely dangerous.
How do we detect and identify such an enemy??
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Ken, from a Brits point of view irish terrorists, be they catholic (IRA INLA) or protestant (UFF UDA Red Hand Brigade) are all murdering bastards, the same goes for ETA (Basque Speratists)any group whose argument is the bomb and the bullet are all the same. 90% of ALL terrorists take some help from terror groups in the middle east wether it be cash, arms or training. Now we are all after the scum but it was different a few years ago when the SAS killed some IRA scum in Gibraltar and the whole world got on our case about their "human rights". BOLOCKS!! the thousands that have been killed in the past what about their human rights. I just hope there are some lads from the SAS & SBS tabbing across the desert as we speak to put down these SCUM!
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Si's definition sounds right ta me........ Another Major terrorist group would be our own FBI....... Seems like just a little over a week ago, these guys were under fire for their bumbling of just about everything they have gotten involved in over the past decade or so...........Everything from Terrorizing women and children for several weeks, just before murdering them, to losing court papers in a mass murder trial, to a hell of a lot of other things, as this list could go on seemingly forever. I won't waste time listing them all now, but I damn sure can, if ya like !!
NOW they're in charge of "EVERYTHING", and are going to save the world...........DUH !! What's wrong with this picture, and are we considered no more than "Sheep", and just go along blindly ???? I guess a better question would be "Just WHAT can be done, or will be done....?? Simple answer..........."NOTHING!!!" Too many "Bottom-Feeders, and "Bleeding-Hearts running the show....!! and they have used this tragedy as a "Smoke-Screen" to advance their adgenda..........
How soon we forget..........!!
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Si has it the closest.One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. That's the problem - it all depends upon where you stand. After all Nelson Mandela was once called a terrorist.
Thankfully with American support the IRA is still on ceasefire.
One thing is for sure that is the policy that Steve B referrs to above served as a top notch recruitment aid for the IRA for years. Internement was possibly the best help any government could have given the recruiters.
Lets hope the lessons of the past have been learned.
In our disgust and abhorrence of what has happened we all want justice but lets not forget that if we don't win hearts and minds along the way then we are fighting a war that can't be won.
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quote:In our disgust and abhorrence of what has happened we all want justice but lets not forget that if we don't win hearts and minds along the way then we are fighting a war that can't be won.
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Sorry Karen & Glenn but history proves that doesn't work, i seem to remember that was a US policy in south east asia, didn't do them any good did it. From a personal point of view to Ireland, Karen doesn't bother me who Northern Ireland belongs to let your government sort it out save us a lot of money/dead squaddies.
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