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Miles Cullinane
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Icon 15 posted September 13, 2001 06:39 AM      Profile for Miles Cullinane   Email Miles Cullinane   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have been asked by my spray painter if cellulose plastic primer followed by cellulose paint would work on a pvc banner material for a long term sign. I have explained that screen ink is the way to go but he is determined to try it out on a small sample. The people who supplied the material said that screen ink or cellulose paint would work.
Does anyone have any experience of spraying onto this material? I’m pretty sure you can’t spray screen ink as the solvents would eat the fabric, Right??
I can’t see the cellulose paints lasting long term but I looking to help this guy out as he does all my spraying for me.
Thanks all.

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Si Allen
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Icon 13 posted September 13, 2001 10:57 AM      Profile for Si Allen   Email Si Allen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Cellulose paints are NOT long term paints! They will work for interior applications, but only for short term in exterior applications!
Most acrylic paints will work very well, as will most latex paints.
If he spays on a "tie coat", just about any paint will be OK. 1Shot, Ronan, and most lettering paint manufacturers make them.

Hope this helps

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Brian Dawson
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Icon 1 posted September 13, 2001 03:28 PM      Profile for Brian Dawson   Author's Homepage   Email Brian Dawson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi, you can use a paint that is available in the u.k. called Proflex PVC. Its a Brush-On (Hi-Visc) paint specially made for p.v.c. banners. the supplier in the u.k. is called ISF the phone number in the u.k. 0116-274222. I have used it for hand lettered banners and it is thinned with cellulose thinners. They also do a spray version the price is £4.94 + vat per litre and they have a wide selection of colours using the RAL Range.
I hope this helps. Brian

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Brian Dawson
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Miles Cullinane
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Icon 12 posted September 13, 2001 04:56 PM      Profile for Miles Cullinane   Email Miles Cullinane   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brian that is just the stuff

I see this is very new to you, as in, this is your second posting . . did you read the board for long before joining the fray?
thank you for the info it's just what i wanted.

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Icon 15 posted September 14, 2001 03:59 AM      Profile for Brian Dawson   Author's Homepage   Email Brian Dawson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Miles, I have been reading the board for some time and have learned a great deal, so its time to give something back. I was only to pleased to be able to give you some info on the paint, You can also use it safely on magnetic material, vinyl and foamex as it will not attack anything the and bites in all without a primer. The only thing that is will not bite into is correx ?. Brian.

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Icon 12 posted September 14, 2001 11:32 AM      Profile for Stephen Broughton   Author's Homepage   Email Stephen Broughton   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Miles,
Screen Ink will spray OK i've used it Myself BUT you must use a 2 filter face mask as used by car sprayers cos screen inks bloody nasty stuff! OK

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Steve Broughton
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Miles Cullinane
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Icon 5 posted September 14, 2001 12:42 PM      Profile for Miles Cullinane   Email Miles Cullinane   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Stephen
Won't the solvents in screen ink attack the pvc type material? I mean those solvents are real strong and they don't flash off that quickly.

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Icon 10 posted September 14, 2001 04:55 PM      Profile for Jon Butterworth   Email Jon Butterworth   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I use screen inks on the majority of Banners, especially on display tents.

Thinned with GP Lacqor Thinners, they brush and spray well. Yes, the thinners do attack the surface, but this provides a "key" that makes them extremely durable. Especially when tents and banners are folded up, regular paints tend to crack.

I also use computer cut vinyl masks for both painting and spraying small text etc. The thinners will attack the mask too, but the secret is several thin coats allowing each to tack off.
The first coat will be dull due to the chemical reaction with the surface of the vinyl but following coats with be glossy. It's a matter of trial and error how much you thin the ink, but its a matter of thinner the better.

The only drawback with inks are that you can't layer colour over colour, especially if painting. One ... they tend to be transparent. Two ... the second coat eats into the first and layered colours will merge. Solution is masking.

Another advantage of ink is the cost. A pound (quart) of ink is expensive but goes 10 times further than paint. It also drys, and hardens extremely fast ... we are able to paint one side of a tent in the morning on the floor of my shed, then turn it over and do the other that afternoon and deliver next day.

Tip: We always apply a liberal dusting of talcum powder which prevents the layers sticking together, as the ink has a full 72 hour curing period. The customer is advised to wash of the talc with a damp rag later and to re-talc the banner if it is to be stored for any period.

Hope this helps

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