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Si was insensitive, to put it mildly, labeling the victims of the plane. I posted “Terrorist Thinking” hoping he would notice that himself.
When Si did crowd control in his past, I would think he knew what he was supposed to do and was prepared and obviously willing to face danger, for whatever reason. Not quite comparable to the people on the plane. They did the unimaginable, the ultimate brave act. They sped up their own death to save their fellow Americans.
Tempers are raw. But I understand the request for an apology. When we don’t speak up about an injustice, we condone it. Bill spoke up forcefully.
It would take an infinitesimally brave act, comparatively speaking, to apologize. Yet, I do not second that request, nor do I think there will be an apology. I simply request that a little less shoot from the hip spewing of venom is tolerated on this board.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did any of you just happen to notice........ NO Guns were used yesterday..... NOT ONE SHOT WAS FIRED.......... And a Hell of a Lot of people died.!!
This is an "OBSERVATION based on KNOWN FACTS !!" NO adgenda................!!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...!!!!! Maybe, Just Maybe, It really is "PEOPLE" that KILL PEOPLE, and NOT GUNS........!!!!!
This is a "STATEMENT as to a QUESTION of long standing PUBLIC CONTROVERSARY !!
Again NO ADGENDA.....NO OPINION !!
The rest of the post is simply knowing what the response and reaction will be.....!!
Once more, NO ADGENDA.....NO OPINION !!
And it was all "DOWN-HILL" from there!!
This whole mess could have been circumvented, if the moderator had been doing his job, instead of waiting till the thread deteriated to its lowest common denominator.........as usual !!
Once More Folks......AN OBSERVATION, and a STATEMENT......NO MORE NO LESS!!
It's a shame that some of our so-called more educated people can't read, and have very little understanding or comprehension of the english language.......tsk, tsk, such a pity.
ps....Mark Jordan, I couldn't agree with you more concerning O/T subjects, It's just that you, me, and obviously no one else on this BB has a clue in hell, just what an O/T subject is anymore.....
There's a lot more that can be said about this BB, and the way things are run around here, but it would just be pounding sand in a rat hole..... (Besides, it ain't my job) I just wish Steve would at least tell the truth if he's going to say anything about me, we've had NO e-mails concerning anything more than me asking him to remove my picture from the Chat- Pals page. Nothing to my knowledge about anything else.
Stay Low, and Ride Safe..........cj
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Evening, All, and Si in particular, Settle back, folks, this may be a long one.
First things first----- A public apology to Si for giving him hell on the BB. I handled that badly from the get-go. One on one by e-mail was what I should have done, and didn't. I still don't agree with you, but that is neither here nor there. It took me quite a while to work up the courage to do this, so Si, once again, I am really sorry. Accept it if you will.
Other matters. Let us keep in mind that we all have a common enemy in this war, personified in Bin Laden. We should not be enemies to each other here on the board, or around the country. We should be pulling in the same direction in this war, and make no mistake, it is a war, with a shadowy enemy. Worse yet, this could go to the level where the survival of humanity, and the planet itself is at stake. Some of us may not like our leadership, and with some reason. It's time to put that aside, too, and get behind them and do what needs to be done.
I am an old fart, most of my years are behind me, and it's all downhill from here. I was around as a little kid when WW2 was going on, a high school kid during the Korean "police action", in the AF during the middle fifties, and reserve in to the early sixties. We had a few close calls during my hitches; trust me , the fifties were not all sweetness and light as the nostalgia buffs would have you believe. Those deals were bad enough, as far as putting peoples and nations in danger. This is far worse.
We have the weapons capability to reduce this planet down to a smoking cinder, with no life left, except maybe the cockroaches. It is possible that the other side has some of these same weapons, and I have no doubt they may use them, and on our own turf. Can any of you imagine the destruction that a nuke slipped into a major seaport on some little rinky-dink boat could do? It would make the WTC attack look like an exercise in restraint.
Humanity, as a species, hasn't done a real good job of treating ourselves, or our home, very well since we appeared on the scene millenia ago. We have done our level best to kill each other off since way before history was written. We also haven't been around as a species very long since time began, but we have sure done a good job of screwing things up in the comparatively short time we've been here. Yes, we have to take care of Bin Laden and others like him, I just hope we can do it without destroying everything and every body. Maybe when it's the cockroach's turn they will do a better job than we have, assuming they survive.
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quote: We have the weapons capability to reduce this planet down to a smoking cinder, with no life left, except maybe the cockroaches. It is possible that the other side has some of these same weapons, and I have no doubt they may use them, and on our own turf. Can any of you imagine the destruction that a nuke slipped into a major seaport on some little rinky-dink boat could do? It would make the WTC attack look like an exercise in restraint.
Is that what America, and the rest of the world wants? I hope not...
This tragedy is not about guns, and is not about "sheeple". It is about uniting against a common cause, namely, Bin Laden, and the terrorists. But as of yet, I belive, there is still no evidence to condemn him? I could be wrong. Please correct me if I am... What I mean to say is, that bickering between ourselves like "children" (hehehe... rich, coming from me, as, I think, the youngest one here...) is not going to solve anything, other than to take away from the togetherness that has been formed throughout the time after this tragedy...
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Katie, I think you mis -interpreted what I meant on the "we have the weapons" bit.The "we" is the whole nuclear club, or a number of nations that have nuclear weapons. There are also the so-called rogue states that might have the same weapons. This was not meant as a sabre rattling remark, and certainly not what we all want. More that I am afraid that worldwide destruction could happen, if any one of the "club" set one of these things off, and then somebody else retaliates with another nuke, and then it all goes downhill from there. Not all members of a club like each other, and there is the danger. All of us, and them as well could disappear in a bright flash and a loud bang. Re-read it, please.
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quote: "Bin Laden is a true believer and a funder of Islamic causes, rather than a planner and active participant," says Professor Shibley Telhani, a Middle East scholar from the University of Maryland who has followed his career. "His real influence is not as a mastermind of terrorism but as a person who is using a personal fortune to encourage others to wage war against the American interests in the Middle East he finds so objectionable."
Bin Laden may not have been the one to "press the button" so to speak, but the evidence of collusion, personal fortune used to finance terrorist camps and groups, and accessory are undeniable. Also, when the embassies (spl?) were blown up not too long ago, bin Laden denied being involved. However, about six months later, he admitted and bragged about being involved.
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Bill Preston, I read it as you said: You have the firepower, the other side has it also. And I was trying to say that this is more than likely not what the americans, and australians, and the the people in countries over the world glued to their screen, hoping that this situation doesn't esculate into a war where, as you said, we could all be decimated in a blinding flash of light, without even having the time to hear the boom, want. And that its a scarey situation. This is in the realm of the possible, if everyone doesn't keep a clear head. I'm sorry if what I said came across wrongly.
And Glen, thankyou again for the info (how do you get time to find all these sites??)
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