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Just working on a 20 foot banner, just straight blue letters and a logo, thought I'd use banner vinyl, but then I didn't have it in stock, plenty of mask tho' so I cut the mask, applied and rolled banner paint over it. Boy did it bleed!! then I had to outline all the lettering to cover up the bleeding. It would have been cheaper to use vinyl. I know it's sad, but almost every big job I ask myself 'to paint or not to paint - that is the question'.
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Yes, I should have done, just made the wrong choice. Normally, if i have the logo and lettering on screen it's quicker to cut the mask, lay it down and use a roller, in this case it all went pear-shaped, the banner has worked out OK - just took a little longer and the customer has an outline that wasn't in the quote.
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Hi There Being very slowww at lettering I prefer a mask. A tip I picked up on textured surfaces is to paint a clear around the edges of the mask. Once dry, paint the main coat. This has also worked on textured wheel covers. My first attempt at one ended up looking like lettering with long daggy fur Kerry Wright Gladstone Australia
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I thought it was just as easy to make a pounce pattern as it would be a mask!
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Joey, I have a plotter that doesn't do pounce patterns (Summa), my old Gerber 4B used to do them well and I used them a lot. Now I often do a pen plot to paper then transfer the drawing with carbon paper or charcoal. That was another option I had. Like I said, the exciting thing about this job is that there are SO many ways of doing the same job. Just that this time I could have chosen a better way.
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i know what you mean gray every day there are choises and often we make the wrong ones
there are just lots of ways to do the same thing and we have to decide what would be best served at that exact time, your time cost verses product cost!
in a perfect world... we would have all the time in the world to accomidate our need to hand work a job as apposed to, cut it, stick it, and make the customer happy cause he got it yesterday!
we 'always' dust in a bleed coat on banners before painting the colour on.... always (cept of course when i forget and then kick myself for the rest of the day while im cleaning up the mess with outlines)
you know what they say... sh*t happens... just the depth varies
hope you have a better day today bro
cheers gail
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Just my 2 cents worth... I really like to hand letter banners. Save a bunch on vinyl & tape! With practice I really feel that all things considered, it is just about as fast to hand letter the big stuff. I have my 4B hooked to Flexiletter so I can make patterns. But on simple stuff it is pretty easy to just make a transparency and project it using an overhead projector.
I also like paint for banners that are to be rolled up a lot. Better luck on the next one!
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Thank Taurus and Tom, tom your opinion is worth more than you think, 2c worth is more like 4c here in Oz I like the projector too, on long banners it's a hassle to get the image projected, you have to do it in stages, then with with overlaps and distortions it can be tricky. Good method tho', no materials at all!
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i'm starting on a painted banner project myself (three 20' banners). i really learned from your mistakes. next, i'll let you know what i learn from mine. at least it decided me to pounce instead of masking. (i only have an 8' easel... so i think it will be easier to project the pattern in steps, and then pounce away).
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I was speaking with a sign supplier just today who mentioned the availablility of a clear (Viponds) (like Kerry Wright mentioned)to coat the edges before the colour goes down. Never used it before but it's worth a try Scooter. Call me lazy but I still like vinyl for simple jobs. I use Avery Banner Vinyl, great stuff, doesn't 'tunnel' cuts well and sticks down well.
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I paint the big stuff routinely, flat brush and then fill in with a little roller, without masking. About once a year I go to Office Depot , get a couple of packages of 8 ½ by 11 carbon paper, tape them together ( abutting, not overlapping) with clear wide tape to create a large piece at least 4x4 feet. Then I slip it between a drawn pattern, which is usually PC created and taped up if necessary, and the banner. I trace the lines on my pattern with a ballpoint of a different color, and move everything along til I have a banner with the image on it. I fold up the big carbon paper until next time, it lasts about a year or so before it wears out. Possibly simplistic, but it works like a charm and is very fast, especially for large Logos. Pouncing is too messy, plus my 4B is retired and sitting in a corner. I like paint on the large banners, because in my opinion it lasts and looks better longer on banners that will be rolled up and re-used, my profit is higher because I can do it about as fast as applying big vinyl letters. I paint everything but the dates on 25 - 30 foot banners that are re-used annually and where the dates get changed.
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I haven't done any banners in a while, though when I ran my shop I did a lot. I picked up a trick from SignCraft, I believe John Cox did the article. Use a Buegler striper with a wide head on canvas banners and fill in with a cutter. The same trick should work equally well on one of those waffle like vinyl jobs.
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Viponds is a great product mate we use the clear under and over the paint to finish off the job on nice banners devo is doing one as i type this just a simpel for lease banner i will post a pic as soon as its done
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Hi Gray Tautflex (I think it is by viaponds) is specifically for banners and it has a clear. A nice glossy paint Kerry Wright Gladstone Australia
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That's it Kerry, I have the clear on order, the paint is expensive but I've used it quite a bit. I tried GB Banner paints and Solver but Tautflex is the best. I can buy it from Ramair in Melbourne.
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