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Ken Henry
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Hi Heads. As I type this, I sit in agony, having secured an emergency appointment with an unfamiliar Dentist, to have a very sore molar checked out. My regular dentist is unavailable (long holiday weekend), and this darn tooth starts acting up. My neighbour, who has much more experience than I, in such matters, says to take the dentist's advice with a grain of salt. His contention is that most dentists these days will often advise to try to "save the tooth" rather than extract.

This ultimately leads to more work for them down the line, but is this really in the best interest of the patient in pain? Extraction= no further work...Save the tooth= possible root canal work in the immediate future. How would you go about getting truely objective advice in such a situation? The quality & intensity of the pain being experienced would also have an influence on the decision about to be made as well. (I simply want the pain to END...and quickly).

I'm not looking forward to this trip this afternoon, but I wonder if any of you have been in these shoes, and if so, how did you handle your situation?

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Ken Henry
Henry & Henry Signs
London, Ontario Canada
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Joey Madden
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Ken, how about if you were to do signage knowing that you may make it last only a short time and the client would have to see you over and over again until they either closed up or passed away. Or the Optometrist who gives you eye glasses a tiny bit different then your prescription so you'll have to get glasses on a yearly basis. This is a daily practice with some professionals so the bottom line is to take better care of your hygiene.

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Cam Bortz
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Youch!!! Been there! Root canal work is painful and expensive, involves repeated trips to the dentist, and is great for his bank account.

I had a molar go south on me years ago during final exams at college. The local dentist couldn't do oral surgery; I had to go to a specialist 30 miles away (by bicycle!) He also wanted to save the tooth, I told him "get this foul f*****g thing out of my head!" Twenty minutes later I was riding back. Took my finals, graduated the next day. Can't say I missed the tooth since then.

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Rick Sacks
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I've done it both ways.

By loosing the tooth, the spacing of all your teeth changes in time. There is a void where chewing becomes less efficient, and the expensive process of getting a bridge to fill the space is the usual option.

The decision probably would depend on the condition of the rest of your teeth. Wanna replace them all? Just pull them one by one as they offend you?

I'd keep it!

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David Wright
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I am having work done a wisdom tooth tomorrow. Told him before to yank it, but he talked me into saving it. I need the tooth given the configuration of my mouth, I guess. I would not hesitate to pull it, if it required root canal work. Depends on the tooth and my resolve. Another thing, he is always asking me "is it safe". What the hell is he talking about?

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Wright Signs
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The leaves of the cocaa plant work very well,,However it carries a 14 year incarceration period,IF you are detected by the local atthorty,,,

Clove oil is very helpful, to dead`n, the pain,,, or a HOLE BUNCH of numbzit"" used for baby`s teething.. you have what I would saspect an exposed nerve""",Natures way of telling you of the problem,,,,the nevre will die in three to seven days,,, then it is just a matter of rot""" but NO PAIN,,,

A pultice of bread doug and peanut butter with clove oil,,, apply directly to the tooth,will give you topical relievef.... reapply as nessery....this keeps the air from hitting the open nerve....

for the infection, that no dought has traveled to the surrounding area you MUST injest ""E'rith'a'my'a'cyn"" 5oo mg.... 1000 to start then 500 mg every 4 hours for 5 days'''''''OR

you can do what Joey suggest,,,, but it's alittle LATE for that,,,,

Joey every try to brush a tooth that is no longer there ??..

More painful then a New Yorkers conversation""" on how to park your car,,Twain,TBuk


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Ted Bukovscak
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David LOL,,, it's from the Movie with whats his name""" the villan was treathening the hero with pulling a tooth every min.. till he told him where the dimonds were,,,, I think you should tell him.....it look like it was very painful,,,, ON THE BIG SCREEN,,,,,, in real life it's just another day...Twain,TBuk

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cheryl nordby
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Ouch. I know what you mean. The pain was equal to giving birth. IT HURTS!! I had a tooth that decided it needed a root canal also. I just wanted it out. Mr. Dentist talked me into keeping it, and I am glad I did. ($750.00 later.) But if it would have been one of the very back teeth, I would have just had him take it out. Good luck.

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coop
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If you really want rid of your tooth, just ship it UPS! you'll never see it agagin!

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"Never play leapfrog with a Unicorn!".........................................
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David Wright
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TBUK, it was Marthon Man with Dustin Hoffman and Laurence Olivier. Did more bad PR for the dentistry profession than any other film.

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Wright Signs
Wyandotte, Michigan
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Save your tooth........

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Mark Fair Signs
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hey ken,
git that tooth fixed buddy!
i hope you relieve the pain #1.

it is hard to be creative when one is in pain.

get ta feeling better soon.

mark

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old paint
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ken..ask these question.....1st how old are ya? then will i be able to eat with out that tooth? is it gona make me any less pretty? will it make me talk funny if i have it pulled?ok...if your over 50, then ya got maybe 30 more years...give or take.....so from here on it downhill anyway. nothing you got is gona work like it did when you was 30-40. so if you answer the 3 questions with a no....PULL THAT SUCKER!
i had bad teeth most of my life, at 19 when i went in the air force..they told me by the time i was 30 i would have all false teeth.....i still got 1 real tooth...heheheheh(lower i tooth hold my lower plate in place) uppers are all false..and doing this is the best thing i ever did....except for those "stabbing" false toothaches....i still get from time to time...but i usually laugh at them..cause i know ther aint no tooth there..but the pain is real....

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joe pribish-A SIGN MINT
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If any of you are in any kind of accident, don't settle until your teeth are checked out!

6 months after getting rear ended (and off a year of work) I lost 4 molars. They were all old root canals gone brittle. (no caps, dunno why) One I'll never forget. Dentist and specialist tried to save it. Specialist was operating on it from the side, then he went to take a chit chat personal phonecall while I'm dying in pain. After spending $600 on the surgery alone, I drove straight to my regular dentist and told him to YANK IT OUT! I couldn't handle the pain any longer.

Now, losing that many teeth has an effect on eating, let me tell you. It takes me forever to eat hard crunchy type foods. At this point, I need every single tooth I have left, so my last tooth that required a root canal and cap, so far so good.

From my experience, if you get a root canal and the pain is still intense after, the specialist or dentist didn't get everything needed out. It becomes reinfected.

Ken, if the tooth is in an area required for heavy chewing, try and save it. It's no fun when you wana eat a steak with not enough molars.

The spacing in my mouth is indeed changing. Dentist is trying to talk me into bridges galore or better yet, an implant! GAK! They screw a bolt into your jaw bone for cryin' out loud.

I'll just chew carefully for the timebeing.

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Linda Silver Eagle
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Donna,

I'd high five ya if I could reach that far...4 rear enders to date, I'm lucky I can still walk, at least they say so.

Ken,
Unless yer a heavy steak eater, I'd say shoot it, pull it with a wench, whatever it takes hahhaha just kiddin there!

I'd say get rid of it, impact has taken most of mine and they "tried to save" all my gnawin teeth. All the fillings have fallen out, should make that dentist a freakin bad sign, one that washes off with the first rain, explodes when ya touch it, it's so rotten, yeah that's how bad it hurt!

And for cryin out loud, no, really, tell em if they pull it to get all the pieces! (in case the roots break off any.)

Man, I knew better than to read this post! Leavin on a short road trip in a spell, hope somebody posts a funny before I leave so I can get my mind offa this one hahaha!

And Coop, I shoulda done that! Ups may screw up, but they do a good job doin it hahaha!

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old paint
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we are predisposed genetically as to the type of teeth we have.....and no amount of dental $$$$$$$ is gona change this. myself i got my mothers hair, and my fathers teeth.
my dad looked like jack nickelson(same hair), and his teeth(and all his brothers and sisters)were bad....my aunt(his sister) had all hers pulled when she was 20-21. all my uncles and aunts...on that side of the family had false teeth at young ages. now my mother..and her family....mom died at 70 with all her own teeth except one...which she cracked....dont remember how..and her sister was the same way....and she never went for dental cleanings or for that matter i cant remember her brushing her teeth. her father was 87-88 when he died and still had all his teeth.....so all you gota do is look in your family and see if all the dental $$$$ is gona make a diff.

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no advice from me... just personal experience. I now still have a molar that the doc and dentist told me to save. It required a root canal which was not painful until the anesthesia wore off and later a crown.
but...it was extremely necessary to keep it they explained to keep the structure of the jaw. If taken out, something has to replace it like a bridge and that does make sense to me. I have all my teeth still, thank God, and will respect the doctor's and dentist's advice moreso after this experience. My son's orthodontist also taught me a lot about the value of braces, not being for self image anymore. They serve a specific function to keep the jaws in alignment, and such.
What's more, I was born with no wisdom teeth...in that regard, I must be one of the luckiest people on earth (judging from all the horror stories).
Speaking of stories...here we go again...
my dad's mom had a candy/grocery store in Chicago during the 1920's and 30's. My dad ate a lot of candy and his teeth rotted. He needed all of his teeth pulled and traded the dentist for the wiring on the dental chair since the dentist needed that done. (My dad quit school at after sixth grade because he lost his father in an automobile accident. Then he went to electrical college a couple years later for the Chicago railroad and got his degree so he knew how to do that.
My dad ended up getting false teeth also from that dentist. When I was about 16 years old, he left the top plate on the kitchen counter by mistake before going to bed. Our family dog (german short-haired pointer) was on a chain, but could reach the counter. When I got up early one Saturday morning, I thought the noise of "clicking" on the tile was his "bone" and I remarked to the dog, "what a nice boney you have, Schultzie!Then as I went over to him, Schultz looked up at me and gave me the biggest smile I have ever seen in my life! He had the top denture plate so much in place that it almost looked like his teeth, only more comical! Oh wow, (and I knew they cost my dad $300 bucks back then, because he used to warn us about brushing and candy!) I woke up my parents and he just couldn't say anything!
Of course, Schultz didn't get punished, but he was a character anyway! How would you reprimand a smiling hound dog anyway? ha, ha, ha.

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I had a root canal done when I was in my thirties. I've never had anything hurt sooooooo bad, plus it's an on going drawn out process. I'm a pretty laid back guy, but I can distinctly remember sitting up in the dentist's chair and threatening to whip his ass that day if he hurt me one more time

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