Im removing a large edge printed graphic on a van and an new one is going on where the old one was.
Now a little film of glue stuck to the van and I was wondering what would happen if I just stuck the new graphic on with out cleaning off the old glue residue. Now mind you, there isn't a lot, just a few places and its very thin. (this is a service van and its just foing to get beat to death anyway.
Tell me what you think would happen. Thanks
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Except for seeing some raised areas where the glue is I don't expect much would really happen. I've done this by accident before and have never had someone bring anything back due to failure.
------------------ Greg Gulliford aka MetroDude Metro Signs and Banners 1403 N. Greene St. #1 Spokane, WA 99202 509-536-9452
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I think it would look like there was something(glue)under the print before you stuck it on.Making the job look un-professional because of improper surface preparation.This would lead to the quality of work coming out of your shop and directly to your individual workman ship. So I guess all in all,"you ARE what you DO"
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The way I see it, in the amount of time it took ya to go online and post the message ya coulda blasted it away with some rapid remover and be done with it already.
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I think the best answer to your question could probably be answered in the thread about advice , I think from Mike Clayton.
"Do it right the first time"
Unless of course you believe in the other saying....
"theres always time to do it right the second time for free"
I have to agree with everyone else, its a reflection on your character and your workmanship, spend the 5 minutes to clean it up, call Rapid Roger and ask him what to use. It works!!!
------------------ Harris Kohen Lil Herbie Pinstriping and Graphix Plainsboro, NJ "Bought myself a paintbrush now i wanna show the world that even I can learn to strategically place the pigment where its got to go."
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it would be just the same type half ass work everyone has a heart attack about franchises,'vinyl jockey's' and cut throats doing...so scrape it off...remember.."if you don't have time to do it right,you don't have time to do it twice".......on the other hand...be kinda neat to see that one end up in Sign Builder
Proper responses would have been concerning glue failure, not workmanship. (those replies were correct, however, and fall somewhere in the realm of "no brainer" and "well duhhh!" to: "ya think?"
As Nixon use to say: Let me make this perfectly clear: Will the glue on the truck cause a failure with the glue on the vinyl?
Now the proper reply to the above question would be: "Nixon never did vinyl sign work, so he wouldn't know the either!"
How about this reply: "Dave, I think Nixon is dead, why would you ask him?
Or how about this one: "Dave, 1-shot paint wont stick over glue. "
hahahhahahaah this thread went from serious question to comic relief in record time. Might as well enjoy it!
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This is what i would do if i was in your shoes....#1 don't clean it...ignore everything you learned the first day in the biz #2let it adhere poorly and look like cr*p #3 when it comes off and you lose the customer to some "vinyl bandit" who used common sense,some rapid remover and his letterhead CD to scrape the adhesive off,immediately get back on the board and post how people without pride in their work have destroyed your ability to earn a living in the sign buisness instead of scolding us for not giving the proper response to a question you already know the answer to
------------------ Gavin Chachere aka Zeeman Miller Supply Co./Ozone Signs & Grafix New Orleans La. www.millersupply.net www.ozonegrafix.com
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Dave, I've never left glue residue on and applied another decal overtop of it so I don't know the answer to your original question.
But say for example, there was a large area of even level glue residue with no nicks in it. I can't see why a decal wouldn't stick on top of it. I'd just question how clean the surface was since it was exposed to wind/air/dust etc. And we all know how vinyl shows every spec of dust trapped underneath.
I recently redid a small area on a firetruck, re and re a 5" white reflective stripe. As ALL the glue stayed put with just the reflective part lifting, it was tempting to slap the new stripe on top. But I felt like I was cheating, so out came the Rapid Remover. The trick with that stuff is to let it sit for a good minute or so. Your work load is cut by 95%. I was glad I did the extra work because it just felt right.
No scolding is going on. You miss-read the post's content. I'm asking a technical question about glue failure and I really don't know what would happen. Why? Because for 30 years I have been cleaning the glue off, doing it the "right way". I just never stop questioning things and established ideas. Just the way I am. I may look foolish for a few minutes, but then I will have gained some wisdom which will last forever.
Since this is a "beater" van (all rusty and dented, and its really on its last leg, I asked my original question. If I did it the WRONG way, how long would it last. Has anyone had a glue failure because of glue over old glue.
What you call scolding is sarcastic humor. We all ask questions in this forum and get the wierdest replies that have nothing to do with the original question. I'm just poking fun at this. That's all.
When a poster places a in the post his mood is suppose to be good. You miss-read that, no big deal. see, I placed one of those happy things there see did it again!
If I was angry, which does happen ocassionaly, I would let a person know in an e-mail, privately. Letterville is a place for learning, not fighting. ------------------
Aladd,
Pat's not mean. Pat knows me personally. His comments may seem otherwise, but not to me. I sat next to this man at a letterhead meet and got to know that this "mean" guy is one in a million of good hearted and fun loving spirit and wisdom beyond belief. He is welcome to kick my ass verbally any time he wishes, publicaly or privately. I respect his ass kicking, because he is a mentor, and a damn good one. There is that happy face again. It means my mood is happy, there is no anger ment in my comments, no scolding is going on. OK
Now, if any of you have anything to add about your experience with glue failures, and what you think caused it, please reply.
Thanks
------------------ Draper The Signmaker Bloomington Illinois USA
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Now I have had a couple e-mail responses on this. One was very interesting.
A company that owns trash dumpsters sold out, and the names on the dumpsters had to be changed. They were all over town. A certain one of us bid the job to remove the old stickers and replace them with a new name. He didn't clean off the glue residue before putting the new stickers on. He said he goes by them every day and they are holding up fine.
So I think I do have my question answered now. The new glue on old glue will probably work even though there will be a noticeable "textured" look in the new vinyl as it sucks down in position and every surface flaw shows through.
Lets not get the idea that this is "standard" practice. You have to determine what jobs call for this technique. Crappy work is crappy work, then again some jobs are so crappy anyway it don't matter much how bad they turn out....like dirty old trash dumpsters.
------------------ Draper The Signmaker Bloomington Illinois USA
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Dave, I don't know anything about glue failure because I've always done everything right,everything, just as most of you have done everyone here seem to be perfect there's that smile again.I don't know why anyone ask any questions because everyone knows the answer already dam smile
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I think everyone is just a little bit too but hey I learnt how to do smilies today so I'm a bit today too
ok everyone..... Playball!!
------------------ Harris Kohen Lil Herbie Pinstriping and Graphix Plainsboro, NJ "Bought myself a paintbrush now i wanna show the world that even I can learn to strategically place the pigment where its got to go."
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I'm sorry, I'll just ask really good questions in the next post.
How about this one:
Let's say I'm lettering this jet air craft fighter, which sits on the runnway in 110 degree heat, and the background paint is flat gray. Will the vinyl stay on or pop loose when the jet takes off and reaches below zero temps in a few seconds?
------------------ Draper The Signmaker Bloomington Illinois USA
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but hey I learnt how to do smilies today so I'm a bit 
today too
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