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Where can "tight wads" like myself get a 'barely been used' pantone color chart at a reasonable price? I've known they're not cheap (figuring about $80) and I was ready to invest but the shop that supplies them here in Calgay, Canada sells them for $115. I know that it'll eventually pay for itself and I will used it constatly like my own bible but I was caught off guard with that price and am not ready to make the commitment just right yet. Never really priced them before. I just took my ex-bosses charts and abused them with paint matches here and paint blotches there. One thing's for sure....when I 'DO' get one...it's gonna get the powder treatment!
------------------ Corey Wine signCONCEPTS Airdrie, Alberta, Canada The ex-Californian Canadian signconcepts1@home.com
"I cooked a meatloaf recipe that I downloaded off of the internet. A day later, I got a stomach VIRUS....Coincidence?"
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Corey..If you know a local printer..they replace them yearly..he might be willing to part with a "barely used" swatch book at a "reasonable price".
If not..spend the $115 and buy one..They are worth their weight in gold...and WHY would you ever blotch one up with blobs of paint?
I know..ya didn't know what they cost? right?
Well now ya do!!!!!!! LOL
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------------------ HotLines Joey Madden,47 years in the Classic Art of Pinstriping Grants Pass, Oregon Learn something new........ http://members.tripod.com/Inflite
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WARNING!! Pantone Matching System color charts are made for and produced with Printers Ink! Thus the colors you see are Translucent.Enamel paint is opaque and quite a different animal.They do how ever make a Enamel Paint color chart that is sold out of the SignCraft magazine.This is even MORE valuable to the Sign Shop,as it represents what colors YOU PROVIDE!The key here is NOT try to match THEIR ink color,But rather get them to pick a color from YOUR chart. By turning the tables and putting yourself in control of the colors.You will spend less time and make more profit. Any questions?
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There were times for me that someone would come in with an existing logo and needed certain PMS# colors.
By having a color chart, I was able to mix up some paint to come awfully close, since I had a way to find out what the color looked like.
I got my PMS chart while in sign school - we went to a local paint store and got the previous year's one at a discount. I always kept a rubber band around one end so it would stay shut and in nice shape when bouncing around in my paint kit.
Oh... also comes in handy when you need to match an existing color - compare it and find it in the chart, write down the #, then back at the shop you can mix it up.
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I think Pat is talking about the ColorTones Color Selector that Signcraft USED to sell. It hasn't been advertised in the mag for about 2 years nor is it advertised on their website. It would tell how to mix the colors in standard enamels. Wonder why they don't sell it anymore. It's too bad, and it only cost $57. You can buy the Pantone chart from Ameriban (800-654-8405) for only $68.
------------------ Mike"Spud"Kelly theSignWorx Ashburnham, MA 978.827.4439
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I never could see the value in a Pantone chart. The color you see on screen is RGB. When you PRINT, you print CMYK.....APPLES & ORANGES! On top of that, each individual printer, prints a different output. I just don't get it!
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.....in addition....if you're trying to match vinyl colors, just carry a manufacturers vinyl swatch folder.....they're FREE! .....or maybbe I'm just missing the whole damn point!
------------------ Bob Burns Bob Burns Signs
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Yea Bob, you're missing the point a bit. The Pantone book is just a target. No, the color formulas don't work with One Shot or even most screen inks for that matter. It's just so corporate Joe on the other side of the state can give you a color to reproduce there logo in and Pantone 292 in Detroit is the same as Pantone 292 in Traverse City. Sure has "a bit darker than sky blue" beat!
------------------ Bill Modzel Mod-Zel screen Printing Traverse city, MI modz@traverse.com
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But when quoting on a contract and the agreement says Pantone 547c Background..(Solid Dark Teal)
12 parts Reflex Blue 4 parts Chrome Yellow 1 part Black.
I like to know that I am going to be real close to the colour match and there is no arguement between the customer and myself. As well as no waste of paint putting it together.
Has anyone tried to print out Fluorescent colour or true golds and chromes (Can't be done)...Prints aren't that good for colour matching.
I say.. Buy the chart as you will need it if a contract (Quote) comes your way and all you have is the specs..on colours.
------------------ Raven/2001 Airbrushed by Raven Lower Sackville N.S. deveausdiscovery@sprint.ca
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Check out Canadian Signcrafters Supply. I designed their website and I know they sell the chart. Also Coreldraw has the chart built in if you can deal with the different monitor settings. http://www.signcraftersupply.com
Doug
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one of the reasons for the printer replacing their PMS book is that the colors have faded. i have gone through 3 myself and you can tell a big difference between a new book and an older one.
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Thanks for the replies everyone! Stephen nailed it. As I know the chart does not pertain to 1-shots.....I can still have the fomula to get pretty damned close! I will try to match vinyl as close as possible and see if the customer is ok with it. In this case, I am doing a 4' X 16' MDO sign with vinyl (burgundy and Cadet blue) There will be a 2" border that I will inevitably paint to match the Cadet blue. It's actually PMS 308 I believe. The customer is ok with the Cadet blue though. Snuck a peek at a friends pantone chart and all I need is some process blue and black...sounds simple enough. Now I just have to learn how to mix a pint. I usually end up with 3 gallons by the tiome I'm done getting it 'close'.ha ha. Thanks again!
------------------ Corey Wine signCONCEPTS Airdrie, Alberta, Canada The ex-Californian Canadian signconcepts1@home.com
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It is a well known fact that people that use PMS charts well spend their afterlife in hell handcuffed to an architect.On the other hand we need to control the propagation of architects (the most flagrant users of PMS) so go ahead use that matching system to try and mix amd match paints and always remember "He who lives by PMS dies by PMS"
------------------ Monte Jumper SIGNLanguage/Norman.Okla.
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Sign craft doesn't advertise the Colortones color chart because the person who put it together is deceased. Sign Craft said They are all out of them, and no more will be made. I was fortunate to buy a used one from someone on this BB. Thank you!
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Monte If I am going to hell in a hand basket being handcuffed to a Architect or an Ad Agent....I hope she's good looking!!!!!
Sometimes they are the ones controlling the ballgame and you have to play by thier rules.
Let them sweat it out with the customer over colours and design and all I have to do is produce the item. Clean and simple! We all get the paycheck in the end.
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