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does anybody here use a Bugler (Buegler?) striping tool. they look pretty neat, and i know that "real" pinheads probably sneer at them, but i was wondering if it would be a good thing for somebody like me, who is just starting out. (i don't know what i'd use it for, but i'm guessing it would come in handy to do borders and edges of boards, and maybe even for striping vehicles).
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EVERYBODY sneers at them except the Beugler Company.
Actually they come in real handy for striping information boards, like in real estate offices - you have to use a straight edge guide and they make good clean lines with no variation in width. If you are very careful.
But if you want to do cars get a couple of sword stripers and some One Shot and do these 3 things ; 1) Practice 2) Practice 3) Practice
Sorry, Charlie, but there just ain't no other way. Like a friend of mine says - "I can show you how to stripe in 15 minutes. But I can't make a striper out of you."
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A few years ago we had an employee who thought that Beugler stripers were the second greatest tool on the planet. (Tool #1 was a Sawzall). In any event he could paint a really nice flat straight line with it. We could do the same with a 1/8 inch strip of vinyl, so when he left, the Beugler left.
I would not knock the tool for what it is - a way of painting even lines, but I think people looking for serious pinstripes will always go for brush work. There is no comparison.
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Hi, again, Scooter-- Striping tools by Beugler are a good thing to have around for just what you're talking about-- signboard edges, etc. --but I wouldn't use them on vehicles for a couple of reasons. Unless you use something like a magnetic guide strip, you need a VERY steady hand. If your hand is the least bit shaky, the shakes will transmit right down to the wheel laying down the paint. At least, a sword striper will soak up some of the shakes before they reach the end of the brush. Thorough cleaning is a must, otherwise the wheel will freeze in it's holder with dried paint. Incidentally, the wheel is toothed on the edge, sort of like a quarter, the idea being it roughs the surface a little, so the paint has something to bite into-- the drawback is if you make a mistake as in your line wanders, what do you do with those tooth marks? These folks also make "double-headers" two wheels on the same head in various widths-- nice idea, but try keeping both wheels down as you go. Sooner or later, your hand will rock a little, one or the other of the wheels will come up and leave a skipped area, and now what do you do? Don't get me wrong-- these are good tools, but they take a lot of practice, and they are not as forgiving as a sword striper. Mike's suggestion about brushes and practice is about as good as it gets. Give them both a try, the wheel things aren't all that pricey, and they will do a good job once you get the hang of it. Good luck.
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You guys never saw Gary Jenson work! He can do as clean and straight a double line around a car as anyone I've seen. He grabs that puppy and walks and talks at the same time. Then he pulls out a brush to do all the detailing. He also has his own variety of wheel for them that he has made and sells. The stripe Gary lays on a car is also a bit thicker a film than what you get from a sword, consequently more durable over the years.
When I first saw him do this I commented to Mike Clines about how easy he makes it look. Mike's response to me was "If you practice for 15 years with a sword or a Beuglar, you can get good lines. His point being, whatever tool you use, it requires effort to master the tool. Buying the tool doesn't get you where you wanted to go.
Here is a toilet seat lid that Gary Jenson did for us a few years back. He did not do this with the Beuglar though!
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I have to agree with most of the other posts. The Bugler tool works great for borders and edges on signs, or for lines on a menu board. Forget it for automotive work. Watch for an upcoming article in Sign Builder Illustrated on using "Finesse" striping tape as a paint mask.
------------------ Jerry Mathel Jerry Mathel Signs Grants Pass, Oregon signs@grantspass.com
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I got one a few years back, an interesting tool. Ive used it a few times for boarders thats about it. The car manufacturers use them to stripe the cars from the factory. I'm not good enough to use it that way when redoing stripes on a car, then i use vynil tape and ureathane. But it is a really cool tool for putting stripes/flames on a tee shirt I wonder how it would work for boarders on banners?
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The Buegler is a great little tool, one that will do a whole lot more than some people think. It does require practice to get it to do what you want. I've used it many times in sign work on menu boards, small inset borders are a snap, grab a yard stick and the tool and use it like you would charcoal, zip, zip zip. Rick mentioned Gary Jenson's mastery of the tool and I believe there is a video of Gary available from Buegler. I've seen 18 wheelers done up in decorative fashion using one of these, so there are folks out there using them for more than chalkboard work. I use them on utility/horse trailer/grain bed type stuff, nothing you want to send in to Auto Art but the money................ Seriously, EVERYBODY should have one of these gizmos. Be forwarned , it handles WAY different than a brush. The Buegler rep showed me the preferred grip which is more akin to holding a pair of Harley pull backs than a brush, Jenson's method is a little different. Buy one , you won't regret it. Oops, one more use for it is on painted banners, especially canvas. Put a thick wheel in it, outline the letters and fill in with a fitch, guarantee ya it will be the cleanest and fastest canvas banner you have ever put out.
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Yeah! I bought one of them there things, many years ago! Practiced, practiced, and practiced some more... then I practiced my pitching by throwing it as far away as I could!
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At the SignBusiness trade show there was a Beuglar booth witha guy doing demos. He had a motorcycle tank and a hood and fender and was doing curved panel outlines on the bike tank and flames on the hood. Not at all limited to straight lines.
Several folks have found ways to modify the wheels so there won't be any saw tooth edge on smoothe surfaces.
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Just to clarify a statement from above... the serrated edges of the wheels are not to "rough up the surface so the paint has something to bite into" They allow the paint to flow under the wheels as they are turning. If the wheels were totally smooth, they would push aside the paint they were supposed to be laying down.
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I wonder how it would work for boarders on banners?
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