posted May 01, 2000 10:55 PM
There is a cafeteria with a beautifully painted mural on drywall. It is scheduled to be removed due to the addition of several windows and it is much liked by quite a few people.
If at all possible, I would like to save it somehow. Is it possible to apply a vinyl clear film over it, then peel it off? Or some other way to preserve the thing? It is 6 feet high and 20 feet long. Price is an object, but not an immovable one.
Please help me with ideas on this one. It will not be profitable at all ( probably cost me money) but that's OK. I want to save this thing too.
posted May 01, 2000 11:43 PM
Can the drywall be removed in sections? Drywall is inexpensive to replace, there will more than likely be a bit of repairs to make (dry wall crumbles) but an experienced artist could do that or better yet the artist who painted the mural if they are available. Isn't most drywall nailed on? Otherwise, i have no idea. If there is no way to save it, photograph it well. Adrienne
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great question from an old dixie letterhead and hog-calling winner!
if the wall is to be torn down and you will need to reproduce the mural, i would suggest the old trick of taping paper to the wall and applying mineral spirits with a rag. (to make it semi-transparent) trace the details with a pencil, then perforate the nesassary information.) either with a pounce wheel on styro-foam or an electro-pounce. (with the electro-pounce, let it dry .)
by the way, i still walk out of the backdoor of my signshop and chuckle when i see the caricature of me on the wall you did at the dixie meet!
posted May 02, 2000 01:00 AM
Bruce, hate to say it but you have a tough one on your hands. most drywall is nailed on. unless its mounted to metal studs, then the sheetrock is screwed on, so my friend if its not screwed on then you will have to take a loss somewhere in the Mural, but from u having an interest in it i think it would be worth it, get some good utility blades and have someone help you slice up the wall, and pry it out. you never know you might have a collectors item...Cisco
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posted May 02, 2000 09:10 PM
Bruce.............I might have an answer for you. I need 24 more hours to see if it actually works.
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One time a mural i did was to be torn down. I offered to repaint it in a new location but the folks in the town didn't want to do that. They wanted to save the actual mural. (the mural was 80 feet long and 18 feet high and on a concrete block wall)
They ended up spending about four times what I would have charged them by doing it their way. They cut the wall off at the top and the bottom. A steel frame was fabricated and fastened to the back of the wall. All forty tons of the wall was lifted by crane on to wheels and transported two blocks and fastened in a new location. It made national news and was a tremendous success.
I guess moving something folks like is worth way more than money.
posted May 03, 2000 01:00 AM
Just an idea - if the entire wall is to be demolished, rip off the sheetrock on the back side and attach some horizontal 2x4's to the existing vertical studs, get rid of any wiring, then literally cut the mural out with a reciprocating saw. Sounds like fun, anyway.
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posted May 03, 2000 07:38 PM
Just my 2 cents worth.....I had to move a wall section that was 9'6'" high x 5' wide..it had a sandblasted mirror in the centre, with a "backlit" box/etc. We cut the top/bottom/sides, through the studs and recruited all the backs and shoulders we could find. Humped that sucker across the room & re-installed in a pre-framed panel. Would have been less cost to re-do the mirror, but the interior design people had included moving my glass. Also, had to remove the mirror panel before the cutting. If the mural is floor to ceiling you may lose part of it, I would think Sonny is on the right track, brace the mural by attaching support brackets on the face and deal with the symantics of moving it. The nature of a wall section that size, with nails/screws/taping could leave you with a real nightmare to touch up,If you are going to have to move it, it's going to be studs and all or look at major restoration...Ron
posted May 03, 2000 08:11 PM
Bruce, here's what happened. Using one shot, I painted a quick caricature of my great dane on a piece of sheetrock left over from construction out in lost prairie. made it 18x24". Dried w/heat lamp for 24 hrs. Coated it with this stuff we use for everything except toilet paper and cured it for 28 hours. Took a sheetrock knife and cut a rectangle around it and lifted the edge. The bond was so great that pulling on it brought away the entire layer of paper on the sheetrock AND the painting.........intact. Absolutely no guarantee on yours. If it's worth a lot, maybe a separate test in your shop on a full sized sheet of sheetrock is in order.
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posted May 03, 2000 09:04 PM
Here's what it is - The mural was painted by a friend of theirs from New York. It is a fantastic painting. The mural is of the area they lived at in Venezuela for a few years.
The wall is not to be destroyed, but windows are going to be installed. This will destroy the majority of the mural. This is not a job, it's a favor for some really nice people.
posted May 03, 2000 11:25 PM
Hey Bruce, I will delete my reply, sorry for the input.....(25+ years in construction)..I will bow to Pierre's magic solution....Please send for this magic goo and peel that mural off the wall. I'm sure you will get instruction on how to roll this mural up...fold it up, put it in the trunk of your mother-in-law's Honda, and re-install with some more of this magic goo, exscuse me if you find this response a little negative....I have become really "Jaded" with all the miracle products that are offered by people that did a "fresh" sample....Alway's remember...Those that can.....Do......Those that can't...sell the products that they distribute....hehehehe Ron........
posted May 03, 2000 11:52 PM
I offer my apologies, Ron. I don't distribute this stuff to anyone except in my own back yard. I tried an experiment and it worked on a small/fast scale. I did not intimate that he try it on his large mural, merely suggested he do a test for his own edification. I'll keep my Pelucid opinions to myself. I've been in the art world substantially longer than you, but I wouldn't throw that at you. Bye, bud.........
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posted May 06, 2000 10:53 AM
The "distributor" Pierre gave me the number of the manufacturer and told me to call them. I ordered some material from a supplier here in Ohio.
Thanks for being concerned about posting commercial advertisements on this page, but that is not what happened in this case. Pierre uses this stuff ALOT and had to become a "distributor" in order to get a large quantity. You would think in the northwest of an overpopulated state like !!MONTANA!!... there would be dozens of places he could get this stuff. I can certainly sympathize with wanting to stock something like this himself.
A few more notes - I received several emails, two long distance phone calls, a long distance fax and was given an 800 number for return calls.
Let's get a grip. I appreciate being given advice on where to get a material that I need, and if someone thinks this board is being handled wrongly, contact Steve.
Thanks for your help Pierre. Hope all is going well in the Big Sky country. I'll keep everyone updated on whether this works or not.
Of course, if anyone would like me to order signmaking materials for them at a 25% markup, visit my "Shameless Commerce Division" at www.thesignpainter.com or call 1-900-BIG-SCAM.
Just a little joke. Let's all chill and be smiling happy sign people.....
posted May 06, 2000 04:30 PM
Well...I hope it goes well....it would be a shame to loose a valuable piece of art like that...WHY would they want to put windows there when they have soemthing so lovely to look at.....some people......! In any event, PLEASE document it by photographing it as best as you can. I think Pierre's idea may work. Let's hope it does, and please show us what it looks like anything South America is facinating to me! Adrienne
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