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Anyone know of an easy to use and flexible webpage software package? I want to set up our website with a home page, portfolio and on line catalog, but I'm not really interested in learning any of that html stuff. Thanks!
------------------ Tim Whitcher Quality Signs & Design 107 E Adrian St Blissfield, MI 49228 qualitysigns@hotmail.com
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Good luck......designing web pages is a business and a complicated one..........id love to paint signs like you all....... any one know of a good brush i can buy that can do that for me i really dont want to learn any of that brush stroke stuff........sorry no offense but what you want and what youll get are two differnt things....you will need a pro if you want repeat hits and a successful site................just tellin it like it is without the sugar...not only will you be up against a number of obsticles did you know a site designed on a PC will look different on a MAC and vice versa and those using AOL will have other problems.....not an easy thing to overcome....do yourself a favour and get someone to do it for ya...the time you spent gettin it right you probably could have made enough money doing what your good at to pay some one what there good at...........Cyber
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But if you are still interested in doing your own try MS Front Page - I use it and find it easy enough. It can do complicated stuff but that can come later though
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I recently got "Web Studio" by Sierra. Easy enough to use - everything is drag and drop from a huge collection of backgrounds, graphics, buttons, gifs etc.supplied. You can add all your own pics to a "favourites" folder, then drag them down to wherever & re-size & crop, add borders or whatever. Cool stuff. I haven't tried uploading my pages yet though, so I don't know the whole story yet... but it's a piece of cake so far!
------------------ Neil Riley Riley Signs Adelaide, South Ozzz A "Down Under" Supporter!
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Tim: I have just begun the same exercise you want to do. I am using Dreamweaver2..it takes a bit of getting used to...but if you don't mind the learning process, it is a good program. I have been told that GoLiveCyberStudio is one of the best...but I now am using Dreamweaver and it's good. I do all my graphics in Corel..If you use this package..write me and I will try to help. Joe Gluchy gluchy@colba.net
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You guys amaze me...hehehehe..the next time someone wants a sign done .im not going to send them to the pro shop.......im sending over to tonys pizza.....after all he does signs in his spare time and hes cheap.............after all tony did his sign and it dont look bad driving by at 60......and designing a web site is a piece of cake all it takes is software....ouch..i guess i need to find a real job.......Cyber
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Well, to tell the whole story, I had hired a "professional" and ended up with a webpage that looks like crap and doesn't come close to meeting my needs. I'm more than a little apprehensive about going thru this process again (lose another $1000.00 and countless hours of lost time). I know there are new programs out there that do not require html code knowledge, and I know that there are sign professionals that do there own webpages; many of them very impressive. Now tell me this, is it too big of a leap of faith to assume that a sign DESIGNER could also be a webpage DESIGNER? It's not like I'm a house painter trying to repair my neighbor's Ferrari! I currently design all of our advertising from our yellowpages ad to our direct mail items, so I don't feel too aprehensive about this, either.
------------------ Tim Whitcher Quality Signs & Design 107 E Adrian St Blissfield, MI 49228 qualitysigns@hotmail.com
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Then you didnt go to a pro web designer .or you would have been satisfied.....and design is not all done in layout...unfortunatly its done in code........so you might be great at visual layout but every web editor has to be tweeked especialy when you get into a complicated design........all im saying is dont think it is as easy as it sounds.....and the web is changing.......browswers change........i look at a lot of sites that you letterheads do and the majority are slow..there on free sites ..which are slow..the pics havnt been optimized enough....there is no flow..they look great as far as a sign goes but lack the code magic that makes a site realy work........you have to maintain it correctly.........what about custom form pages...or cgi bins to hold perl script ........what about browser detection...javascript, dhtml.......what about shockwave...sound files.....whos going to build a site that people want to return to............i think the reason im posting this response is the fact that people make a living coding websites and do a great job.some of you have stepped over....Mark Fair signs does an excellent job at web design...........and a lot of you have that ability.....but dont think its a walk in the park or easy..........i didnt spend 2 gruling years learning the basics of web design only to have someone say ...by a wed design program and youll be designing like the pros.......NOT.....and spread the wealth...hire a web design person..and im sure a web design person will hire a sign guy...........when i had my vehicle letterd i could have done it myself...i airbrushed for close to 30 years..but i went to a vinyl shop and had a pro do a nice job.i put some bread on another mans table and did my part in supporting the craft................so tell me is designing a web site as easy as spending a few hundred dollars............Cyber
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I hardly think it's fair to compare signwriting and web design in this way. Firstly, the principles of page design and sign design are not so different. A good signwriter would certainly have an edge compared with an average person and should be capable of creating a decent web page. Also, a personal or business web page needs to be constantly updated with information best understood by the owner. This may be a costly and inconvenient process if another 'professional' is doing the job, at least, it was for me. Sure, I admire web pages done by those who know what they are doing, I also admire signs done by half the folks here who do a lot better than me. To ask the question 'what web page software should I use' is no different to asking 'what sign software should I use', there are lots of choices and they are just a tool to do a job in the hands of one with design experience.
------------------ Gray Hodge camriver@southcom.com.au Cam River Signs Somerset, Tasmania, Down Under
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Your still missing the point......buying sign software in an industry your familier with is not the same as buying web design software in an industry your unfamilier......and once again how are you going to tweek code if you dont know code.........for instance i used a blockquote tag yesterday to make my text look tighter on a page all done with a 400.oo editor then inserted an image...now the image gets placed inside that blockquote because there is a end stop tag for that blockquote...and the editor just by design places everything inside the end tags....well i had to go into the code and remove the image tag from inside the blockquote tag because the editor..burped .......and couldnt place the image tag outside the blockquote with just the wysiwug function.....you all are talking visual design layout which is important....but if you dont know html code which is what the author of this post wants to avoid..you will get frustrated to the point of throwing your hands up...all i wanted to do is bring a logic to the post saying you will need to know html code............and thats basic language...thats not even dealing with simple javascript roll-overs which you cant rely on editors to do 100% all the time..................so post all you want about how easy it will be to build a web site because your a ..quote sign painter..layout person.......go ahead and try to keep up a proffesional looking site that best represents your talent as a sign designer and then try to keep up with a basic html site and watch your compatition who is going to a web design house who is supporting another industry..who is presenting a web site done in shockwave or DHTML and watch your simple html site loose its luster..while you find less and less time to upgrade..........all facts of life in the world of the web......this is an example of where the web is going...this is an example of a simple web site designed in flash..you dont have to worry about browser differences..computer platform differences.just a plug-in which comes with all new browsers..this is a business folks not a hobby, treat it like one and youll see a industry wanting to serve yours ..the sign painter.. and us as web designers, we want to make your industry look as good as the signs you joyfully color.....Cyber..... http://www.netwebcities.com/netweb1.html
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thanks for the compliment doc! i have a long way to go before i consider myself a pro web designer. what amazes me is the sign people who create their on web site and break all the rules as far as typography and good layout. then there are those so-called pro- web designers who have no idea of what good layout is.(this is not directed at you Doc) I have been a sign artist for 25 years now and the web design intrigues me. i try to do the best of my abilities on anything i do.
I did'nt just wake up one morning and start stroking beautiful letters from a brush or punching out good sign layout from the computer or turning out decent web design. all of it has been a learning process and is still an on-going process.
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Well I may as well throw in my 2 cents worth. I did my website about 3 years ago, before the advent of all the "what you see is what you get" editors. I downloaded a simple HTML editor on a trial basis (50 sessions before it timed out). I soon realised that I might as well send the guy who developed it my $40 because I was going to need a LOT more than 50 sessions to get the website going the way I wanted it. One nice thing about an HTML editor is that it produces a web site that is recognizable to any browser and on both Mac and PC platforms. HTML is the basic cornerstone of all websites.
Esthetics, great looking layout and visual design aside, you have to create something that will work and look the same for any person entering your site, whether they use the latest Mac super computer or an old 386 PC and whether they use Internet Explorer or Netscape Communicator.
My website took me about a month of solid 8 hr. days to set up and register with all the search engines. I spent hours surfing the net looking for sites that explained the various HTML codes and more hours printing out reams of paper for reference materials. Why did I do this? Because at the time I was in a HUGE slump and didn't have any other work to do. Would I do it again? Yes, still using basic HTML as the foundation and build on with java, shockwave and all the newer technology that is now available. Why haven't I continued to upgrade my existing site? I haven't had the time to invest in the research that IS necessary to add the new stuff.
I tend to agree with Doc. If you want to create your own website, then invest the time to learn how to do it correctly rather than trying to do it with a WYSIWYG program. They may work OK but then again they may not work for every person who is viewing the site. And you won't know how others are seeing your site unless you actually go to their computers and look at it yourself. Don't believe that just because you can see, on you computer, your site as you intended it to look that it will be the same for others.
------------------ Dave Grundy shop#340 AKA "applicator" on mIRC "stickin' sticky stuff to valuable vessels and vehicles!" in Granton, Ontario, Canada 1-519-225-2634 dave.grundy@odyssey.on.ca www.odyssey.on.ca/~dave.grundy "A PROUD $ supporter of the website"
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I'll agree with everybody. I used pagemill and found it easy enough but when I wanted add stuff like javascript the wysiwyg screwed it all up. HTML is really not that hard to understand and once you do the scripts and fancy stuff is on the net free for the taking. Start with whatever program and keep checking the code to see whats hapening... then when you get frustrated at how little control you have you'll start wanting to understand more (it gets kinda addicting)
An expert coder with no artistic insight is more useless than artist with no clue of coding in my opinion.
------------------ 90% of life is perception and interpretation... If your life sucks, You suck... DON'T SUCK http://www.us-uck.com Smile more, everyone benefits slamgrafyx@aol.com
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I bought Front Page 98 a couple of years back made my site in a weekend....most time spent scanning pictures, its nothing luxurious it doesn't make funny amusement arcade noises while loading...sorry Doc! "not my cup of tea" as we say in english.
I don't get so many hits on my site that it earns me fortunes....but here in Sweden almost everyone I deal with has access to the net if they don't know the company or the type of work....check out the site....pictures say alot...you don't have to write your life history in this business...if I was interested in another sign co I would want to see what type of work they do and are capable of today and not the fact they have been banging out the same old crap since the turn of the century, even with that said I am sure there are well established old companies, turning out great work. I can only judge on what I see on my own doorstep.
So I am sure all the java this and that is great....I am satisfied with my site for what it does for me...that's a visual display of what I am capable of....today all films I have developed come in print and on CD so I don't have to bother scanning....if you buy Front Page it comes with Microsoft Image Composer so you can prepare pics and thumbnails at the right size to load in good time.
I am sur Doc has good points and knocks out great sites...I will check out netcities more later! I promise...I do feel you can still do a good job with Front Page .....keeping it up to date is another question! I had ideas of updating regularly....too busy just now! and I know not all the thumbnail links work but you get the idea.
------------------ Henry Barker #1924 akaKaftan SignCraft AB Stockholm, Sweden. A little bit of England in a corner of Stockholm www.signcraft.se info@signcraft.se
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I certainly am not a great web designer....mediocure maybe....my designs are always overdone .i cant help it .i love rennasaunce gaudy..to me the more the better......so im not posting from hey you guys suck cause you dont know code...i admire how you all can stop when youve reached your objectives..hehehehehehe...i cant find the off switch enough...im addressing the post.....which was i am looking for an editor that will allow me to build a site without knowing HTML......and there isnt any...........and your right a simple site done well will out class a major site done lousy.........hope i didnt cause any tension....was just trying to answere the question with some deeper understanding of what you might be getting your self into............Custom paint comes from the mind not the can so be the web....Cyber
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Wow! I just noticed we have new icons! (I'm blonde, give me a break-LOL) AND the topic review is automatically on the bottom of the reply area- THAT's COOL! (Now we can quote everyone effectively- BaDaBum) OK back to the subject of the thread, tonight I got to "make changes" to our families website at http://www.innercite.com/~balloons/ (don't sweat it- this is NOT a plug, you gotta be a retailer to buy from us... unless I like you! ;-) Oh, get a sense of humor!) ANYway- I did the "changes" on the Table on the home page that tells ya about Halloween, adjusted all the links to the Halloween, Thanksgiving, and New Years pages and added all the new images! Yeah, for me! BUT- I had the hubby right behind me walking me through the whole ordeal and I tell you- I really don't think I could repeat that by myself. The html reminded me of the old DOS versions of copy editors we used at the Newspaper (well, they like to call it a newspaper) and my was I happy when Mac came out with affordable computers for us in the Art Dept.! WYSIWYG is easier than code by far, but you pay for it. Microsoft webpage designers are cool, but you have to have a server that SUPPORTS Microsoft webpages- they have their own language you know. Same with CorelDraw- there's suppossed to be some webdesign software in there, but your browser has to be loaded with a translator- and if you know the sense of humor of those translators you know they aren't ALWAYS telling ya what is actually being said. (what a fun job...) So what's my point? I'm a graphic designer by day (until my shop is built- money has delayed the concrete man, they are funny about getting paid "cash" aren't they?) and (oh I wander!) laying out a good site doesn't challenge me (too much) but this code... oey vey! It's gonna take some book time and lots of practice- kinda like <i>Learning how to do a sign.</i> We've done that- some of us way more than others- but we are good at it and making money, so somebody likes 'em, huh? I say if you want to learn html and do your own site and possibly others- go for it, but I do agree with Doc on the WYSIWYG programs- they are easy, but there's a lot of "buts" to go with them. The Moon with her head in the Stars and outta the books for a bit.
P.S. (This is my edit) See I still don't "got it" look at my attempt to duplicate italics... like in my sig! Doh! It's not so easy. ------------------ The Moon aka: Stefenie Harris Moonlight Designs Pollock Pines, CA learnin' somethin' new every day!
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Call me a heretic, but I refuse to touch HTML code unless absolutely forced to do so. I started with PageMill, but quickly maxed out its limitations, so moved on to GoLive Cyberstudio (now Adobe GoLive). The program is phenomenal. I can remain within a WYSIWYG environment, and still have all the bells and whistles. Granted, if you want to get in depth with the removal of text decorations and the addition of CSS text mouse-overs, you'll still need to know some HTML, but not much, and Adobe is working on that.
I also know a smattering of FrontPage, but only enough to be dangerous. I needed Discussion Groups (message-boards) on my site, and FrontPage does them very well. FrontPage can be frustrating, until you get used to it. I never used to touch the program unless I had a few beers first.
Also, thanks to my ISP, I can also get form pages, counters, search pages, password-protected pages, secure pages, etc etc.
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Can't refuse this opportunity to put in...I agree with Mark who agrees with everyone else except that I don't agree with some bits but mostly I agree with DocCyber that you should make the effort to learn some HTML. Not least because WYSIWYG editors don't always undo changes properly leaving leftover tagging.
Even if you just want a simple site, knowing HTML will give you a foundation. You don't need to learn every tag, but you should at least understand the principles and what it is doing and why.
As far as employing pros only. That depends on what you want. There's nothing wrong with wanting a simple site to do a simple task.
If however you want more, consider this on top of your layout skills:
NAVIGATION: a must for a useable site SEARCH ENGINES: proper use of titles,meta tags, descriptions and submissions. COMPATIBILITY: Keep to HTML standards not browser peculiarities. DOWNLOAD TIMES: keep it tight RESOLUTION AND COLORS: 15% will be on 640X480 @ 256 colors. Make it work for them too. These are stats from my site over the last 2 weeks
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Oh my GAWD! My head is still spinning from the techno stuff swirling around on this thread. Especially on Bruce's post.
Anyway, I'm wading in slowly, and just to show you how slow, here's my rinky dink little question.
What the heck does WYSIWYG mean?
Well, I have been told that learning the basics to HTML is a good idea. Someone recommended a page of links to me that gives places to get that kind of help. It's on of the links list about halfway down on the left hand side of a page at http://members.home.net/friend4life/frame.htm The link is called "HTML Help & Graphics".
Nettie I actually cracked open my book on FrontPage the other day. I guess it's time to get out of the shallow end.
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Since this has become somewhat of a popular post....a bit of advice....html tags are easy except for the table tags.....now table tags are the tags that help you position a image or text on a page with pin point accuracy..learn the table tags.this is where a lot of trouble is found...........if you dont use tables your site looks like a long page of information....tables allow you to ..with images get creative in your design.......an example of tables at work........ http://www.whatcomcountyweb.com/test
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Sorry Nettie, didn't mean to confuse. All those figures are simply the statistics on how people have there computer display configured.
THe main point being that they vary a lot. Some folks are on older systems with limited ability to display big pages with loads of colour. I like to set up a page to suit the low end of a common denominater.
Getting back to website design, good design has to consider how people use the site, what they're after and then make it easy for them. No frustrations
Good HTML is important but is only half the design job. (I'm preaching to myself too. My site could use some re-working).
Some HTML tips: HTML simply means the content (what you see on a page)has been "tagged" with instructions telling the browser how to display it. The tags are always nested, like brackets. Tables are always divided first into rows <tr> and then into data cells <td> for each row.
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Cool! I like how this thread is turning out. There's no roasting at the steak or terrible insults being thrown back and forth. It has turned into a thread like the Shop Tool threads... sharing info on how to do this or that or what to do with this or that- that doesn't involve any bodily harm! LOL (Just some light humor. I needed some laughs) Tables and tags- Heath put a large table on the balloon homepage, and when I got in there to adjust and update- I messed up the table deleting one too many tags. Of course he helped me replace the key tags and we put Humpty Dumpty back together again, but... I, being new to this webwriting world, found this very difficult and detailed. Tables will be a "one for the books" and "practice, practice, practice" subject for me. Java is used on our page too, as well as here on the Letterheads site. Java enabled Heath to do a drop down menu. Just like the one Steve has here at the bottom- so we can "go" to other pages, but we don't have to "look" at the list the whole time... not all computers (or is it browsers?) can handle java. Because of this you have to put additional tags telling your page to display the list if they don't support java. I beleive it was "open eyes" and "close eyes". Or maybe that was the instruction to "not" display the whole list and confuse the websurfer. Either way, that looked weird in all that html stuff. I go into newsgroups once in a while (Heath is in there ALL the time) and they don't have any Letterheads, Pinheads or Airheads newsgroups, but they do have Webpage newsgroups and html newsgroups and every other kind of computer newsgroup. The newsgroups are like bull boards and people come to share info just like we do here. This is not a promotion for newsgroups, it's just a statement to show there are other places for information on this subject... unlike this and "the other" site being the only places to BB (or BS) about sign stuff. The (still) html challenged side of the Moon ;-)... but trying!
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Well for those who are interested - here is my family page <www.southcom.com.au/~camriver> It was made by a person who claims to be a signwriter, likes to muck around with a totally WYSIWYG web creation program, knows and cares nothing for codes and html, and is definately NOT a professional web page author. The page will inevitably contain lots of mistakes and problems which will be glaringly obvious to some professionals, but does the author care? Heck no, he just had a great time making it, has had quite a few compliments (mostly from heathen who wouldn't know a good web page if they fell over one). The author also looks forward to spending many hours re-vamping the site as his knowledge and skill grows. Sounds a bit like how I got into signwriting in the first place!
------------------ Gray Hodge camriver@southcom.com.au Cam River Signs Somerset, Tasmania, Down Under
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Great job Gray......you definatly spent some time both in layout design and images...it was also great to mention the fact that your christian faith and family values are high on your list.That means nothing to some but a great testamony to your faith in GOD to those who do believe in that understanding of life.Thanks for sharing that with us.....wyswyg editors do work.but im sure you spent a great deal of time working your site to the quality of what you see and that it wasnt a ..buy the software and have a site up in a couple of days............thanks again and GOD bless................Cyber
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for what its worth, you con download a fully functional 30 day trial of adobe GoLive from www.adobe.com. haven't used it yet but you aren't supposed to have to write any code.
------------------ Dave Utter D-utterguy on chat Sign Designs Beardstown, Il. utter@cityscape.net
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this is an interesting string. i am working on my website now. i've got 2 on the the go. one using homestead publishing (free webspace) and the other using frontpage express, that was included in windows 98. i know nothing about html or building a website. like so many others, i can take most anything apart. the question is can i put it together again?
i think if you're really interested in building a website, probably you will have dabbled with frontpage express. cause it's free and already in this box. whether it's useful or not, i still do not know.
heck, i'm still impressed that i've figured out how to move photos et al from one program to another.
but, ya gotta admit, us creative types are gonna have trouble handing over the creative reins to someone else. why pay someone to build your website when you can give it a shot yourself.
we've heard from alot of people who went ahead and successfully built their own site. is there anyone out there who tried, gave up and turned it over to a website designer?? were you happy with that?
it's seems so far that most of the people i know who've have moved into website design are self-taught and getting business. the only person i know who has a degree behind her seems to be having alot of trouble finding a job in the computer field that pays over $9.00 an hour.
let's hear it for the self-taught--at the very least they are a tenacious group
------------------ Livin' the lifestyle of the poor and unknown, but, still happy:) Gailforce Graphics Squamish, BC, Canada
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After having done several websites with Frontpage, I'm a happy gal. It's user friendly, while it has it's glitches, it is a Microsoft product after all, but it does the job.
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what most people wind up with who havnt spent much time building sites are home pages or photo albums.............take a good look at one of your pro signs....the layout the function.then ask your self does your web site look like that or does it more represent your photo album..............here is a demo i show clients as well as a templated site i sell to artist who could care less about coding but just want a nice look.....im self taught after airbrushing street rods and motorcycles for 28+ years.....so we are the crowd that can make the change over......but its a job.....be creative...but youll need to know how to code......http://www.doccyber.com/d_air/2/index.html
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Wow Doc that's slick, You just answered the question ... Adobe Image Ready is the program I'm looking into now.
And to think I was wasting my gray matter trying to learn html and javascript. That csscript is very slick... I won't need to waste time trying to figure out where I forgot a , or a ; while hard coding.
Is that cross browser compatable?
------------------ 90% of life is perception and interpretation... If your life sucks, You suck... DON'T SUCK http://www.us-uck.com Smile more, everyone benefits slamgrafyx@aol.com
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I love to see this kinda action going on here. we as letterheads are not limited to only the physical, i.e. (signs, pinstriping,the printed word)
just remember "good design is good design" no matter how it is done.
learn as much as you can, for this is the future and the future is now. (just keep the "good eye" as far as layout and design)
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The software i use is photoshop 5.5 with image ready...and the web author is GoLive.........these tools along with director 7 and Flash are invaluable to the next generation of web sites............The css script is actually DHTML which in my opinion is the better code......GoLive and image ready scripts this as you build .........i use image ready to build precise image tables.....that way i can build an image in photoshop export it into image ready...cut the image up and turn it into tables then i can designate some of the slices for rollovers...i export the tables into GoLive as html then finish building the site...........when that is done .....i up-load the site to the server using GoLives site inspector which allows me to stay with-in the program and make all the changes necessary...........i used to use dreamweaver and Fire works..but found they were limited in time and interface when trying to build a controled site...............by far the Adobe products are top shelf...which breaks my heart cause im a macromedia junkie...hehehehehehe.........be creative...you all are the best when it comes to sign design.....and a word of advice dont get into web design unless you want to get hooked on the power of digital design.....i did and my airbrush has been idle for 3 years....hehehehehe............Cyber
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I have done some experimenting with layers using the DIV tag which seems better supported than the proprietery Netscape LAYER tag. I like the control over placement and overlapping images rather than the 2-dimensional tables.
THere's is now so many ways to achieve an end result in layout design and it's hard to get a feel for which will be the best method.
Seems to me you can manipulate a visual design with either image maps, images in tables, DHTML, layers, Javascript tricks, as well as imported stuff and plug-ins like shockwave, flash, director files and more. It gets harder to get a grip on the possibilities as more options are developed.
Any comments on what to forget and what to embrace?
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Bruce the future is in shockwave...........flash sites are by far the best in all catagories...and all it requires is a plug-in which doesnt rely on browser interpretation............give the web another year and shockwave will be every where.............streaming on broad band pipes will be awesome....un fortunatly it will leave the hobby site developer out unless he can devote a ton of time to keeping up...........html will always be there .......as well as DHTM ...........javascript......ect............and the browsers will become more compatable............but the future is in streaming....................i dont use the layer tags much because of the IE trouble of handling them but its getting better......................Cyber
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