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Thats what I have always called it when someone looses it a bit !
Sorry, Valentines day was at best the worst day in 5 months for me. I know I should not be apologising(cause I shoulda stayed off this damn machine till I felt better) But, oh well ! I just can't seem to be this "mild mannered meek sales type guy" that some people think I should be !! Anyway, you know what I mean.
Roger
------------------ Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated Waikoloa, Hawaii
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No! We don't! Explain it in 1,000 word or more!
:^)
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Hey Roger.. I told you about using the RapidRemover for some emblems on a motorcycle tank..And it worked very well...After the fact of doing the airbrushwork I took it over to be clearcoated and the company proceeded to apply the clear everything was lifting and orange peeling!!!!! OH Zhit! They asked myself what cleaning product I had used on the tank and I tolded them the solvents....Well Hell's Fire lite up as when I said RT they started to blame myself for using it!.
Now what am I going to do about the lost time and materials?
OK now put your heart back in your chest as the project turned out perfect.....
My sub on the contest design is on the way!
Raven/2001
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Roger, I use Rapid Tac exclusively and would never even think of using anything else. I love the stuff! But, I too would like an answer on the voided warranty deal, because I have a personal friend here in town that is right now being sued for his use of Rapid Tac on Gerber Reflective (at least I think it's Gerber). Seems the company he was dealing with was in a big hurry to get the job done. They painted the sufaces the night before with (I think) a base coat clear coat system. Then called my friend out to "hurry up" and install the pre-packaged vinyl graphics. I think the main problem is outgassing and would like to know how he can go about proving this to the courts. The graphics package had no warnings, etc. that fluid should not be used in application. Only after the problem arose did they call the manufacturer and learn that it should never be applied using fluid. We all know that is really not true. This very person has done MANY applications of the same type using the same methods with no problems before. How can we help this guy not lose his shirt? These are large tanker trailers and he stands to lose a chunk of change if the case is found in their favor. Thanks, R.T.
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Well R.T., you are right !! The gerber film would have done the same thing had he applied it dry, I have seen this more than once ! When the finish is not cured, and someone applies vinyl (with or without wet method) The solvents will damage BOTH the paint and the film !! The warantee thing I can not change, Though Avery is takeing steps to change this,since they market their own "application fluid and remover" If you go online to Arlons site, "tech. tips" they tell you how to wet apply and they list Rapid Tac on top of a short list(three fluids) of products they approve of(though I don't know how extencive the testing was with them) 3-M, has always advocated "wet method" they will tell you how to make your own, but they won't tell you they advocate Rapid Tac, even though they get samples from us for their "test beds" in several states. Thats too bad about this guys misfortune, I would tell him to get statements from other shops that have experianced this after applying "dry", but the problem is ,he put it on paint that had not fully outgased !!!
Roger
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Roger, La Bahia is still standing although the city of Santa Cruz is trying to change it to a senior home. Years ago I also went surfing at Cowells beach, that’s just north of the Santa Cruz pier and I got pneumonia. I now just watch and I just get tired. Hey, glad you have such a good attitude with your products, not many suppliers have the courage to debate with the masses. I guess it is too risky, so again thanks for the Rapid after-shave. Santa Cruz is really Insanity Cruz, don’t you remember? Ken
------------------ Ken Morse Jamn Graphics Santa Cruz, CA
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We do heavy amounts of reflective vinyl on Alamo airport shuttle buses. DO NOT install reflective wet!!! We install literally the same day they come out of paint. Believe it or not.....it has to do more with the temperature than the fresh paint. Hot hot weather will be real trouble and blister....when it's cold...you will have much better luck. Stick to a dry application on reflective. Sorry Roger...we use your product regularly....and it has its purpose....but I speak from experience.
------------------ Bruce Evans
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Not only is Bruce correct, our mfg will not warranty reflectives installed with ANY wet medium.
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RT - Can your friend find out what kind of paint that was used and what the drying time of this paint is. If you find out the manufacturer of the paint they used, you can obtain the info from them. Maybe this is all your friend will need. If the paint required more time....then the vinyl should not have been put on. This is the problem of the painter not supplying the info to the installer of the vinyl. The installer just did what he was contracted to do. The paint in the problem of the person who painted and the person who insisted the vinyl go on before the paint had cured properly and the outgases had escaped. In court the judge will want this information. It's better that your friend do his homework on the paint used before going into court.
It's at least worth looking into.
Brenda
------------------ Brenda Beaupit Classic Graphics Kemptville, Ont CANADA
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Well, I can tell you this much about the situation. It was not warm at all when this vinyl was installed. This has been the coldest winter we've had in these parts for years. And yes, it does get cold down here. As for not installing wet, what is the REAL reason behind it? Will it cause the vinyl to de-laminate? It might, but I really don't feel it will cause it to bubble. If it will, why is that? What's the difference in it and other vinyls? I'm asking this because I really don't know and I'm defintely not an expert on reflectives. I wish a manufacturer could tell us the reasoning behind this. Is the adhesive that much different? I'd really like to know. Thanks for all your responses. I'll pass along the info to my friend. See ya, R.T.
------------------ R.T.Thomas,AirDesigns/Sign And Airbrush Studio rtart@earthlink.net 1209B Corinne St. Hattiesburg,MS 39401 Shop 601-584-1000 Home 601-543-0271 Proud supporter of LETTERVILLE! The best site on the net!! "I yam what I yam and dat's all dat I yam"
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I agree with Brenda on this one. The paint will outgas for a period of time. All paints are different and i never apply on to fresh paint unless it has been baked. Every mfg of reflective that I know recommends DRY application. As for some of the wet application fluids that are on the market that are (made ?) for wet application. Are those mfgs going to stand behind your failed installation because you used their product, because they said it was ok. I would go with the vinyl mfg recommendation. I use 3M-Gerber and while a little pricey compared to some other reflectives i find it goes on like a dream, DRY. Just my 2 cents worth.
------------------ Kevin L. Kleinhans Alma Signs (Signs Be Me) Alma, Michigan 517 463-6851
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