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My first comment would be the color contrast in the main copy. I see it as a bit weak, unless the photo is leaving something out due to lighting? The overlay of "studios" on "dreamweavers" is also weak in the contrast dept. Because of the contrast, the phone number is hard to read.
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I like the letter style for DreamWeaver, but like Pierre said, the purple (as it shows in the picture) tends to mud it up a lil'. Sign Gold is so brilliant, sometimes a darker color outline and then the lighter color works better. I like the idea of a contrast in letter styles for Studios, although the placement kinda upsets the balance of it all. maybe if it was moved back and down a lil' and the numbers and other copy moved down and made smaller. The phone number, again like Pierre said, is rather illegible in the photo, but that could be remedied with a change in color contrast. One thing I notice is how the red somehow doesn't "fit". The graphics to the front of the truck that I can see are white, purple, blue, etc. The red, bein' your hottest color on the imaginary scale, kinda overpowers those. But then again, I'm not seein' the whole truck.
Again, your letter styles and ideas work good. The DreamWeaver just has that "mood", and it looks like it works good with your other graphics.
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As I am strictly a vehicle artist I would say that your graphics are nice but I would have left out the word 'studios' and the 'phone number' and made the 'signs & graphics' so it could be read. Also possibly used a thicker font with an explosive effect to go with the graphics job.....
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The impact of the Signgold is lessened by using it on every line of copy. The other guys are right on about the contrast. The letterstyle on the phone number with the little centers is so easy to close up due to poor contrast. First thing that jumped out at me though is the shades are in different places, right on the top line, left on the second.
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Don't be afraid to take up space and don't hide in the shadows.
Is it me or is the image afraid to "be one " with the graphics?
All your elements are really kewl.
If it were my gig, I would have put the name from one end of the bed to the other...at least! This would overlap the beautiful graphic on the front end of the bed, but hey! That can be gotten over with a little therapy...hahaha!
Since it looks like it is all applied already...How about some kind of "logo" incorporated on the left (for this side of the truck, reverse for other.)
Before doing anything else, use the picture and play with ideas on your puter before you start wrastling with patterns and slingin the one shot.
Maybe, some kind of wizard with a quill that has an elaborate (handcarved celebrating nature feel to it) but easy to reproduce (for you) kind of handle on the brush! That could tie it all up...can you do mist? I thought so!
My 2 cents, for free! Hahaha!
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Robert..I love SignGold too!!! But as others have mentioned it can be overdone. Below is the lettering on my van (yes it is all in SignGold, but 2 different types). The background is black just like yours but I think it is quite legible. The difference is that my lettering that uses engine turned gold is much bolder and the outline/shade less pronounced. For the seconday copy which is a thinner letter style I used satin finish, which reads a lot easier.
In your case I would have incorporated one of the beautiful shades of blue from the graphic on the left as the shading/outlining color on the lettering.
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I've come upon this thread late, but all the comments are good ones. The only other thing I would add is that the shadow on "dreamweaver" has too many inconsistent gaps due to the font style. No problem, it's a great font choice for the feel of the text, just needs to be individually kerned for each letter to equal out the gaps. When done properly, some of the letters will be welded together and some (like the "d" and first "r") will be separated further. Then the subsequent addition of the shadow will appear more consistent.
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I THOUGHT so! Ha! Now I know who own's the Grundy shop! Start swingin' that broom. Davey!
:^)
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Ditto with what the others said, especially with the kerning. ALso, studios might look better using a slanted script style of lettering like rapier, or one of the sign dna scripts. I would have possibly did the phone number and signs and graphics in regular vinyl, just to make the name stand out more. Good design, and like alot of mine, a little tweaking wont hurt.
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I am always a bit reluctant to critisize a design. We all have different ideas so i try to work with what is there and offer a few changes.
In this case mostly along lines of what has already been said. In the photo it is really hard to tell exactly how the gold really looks.
It looks too "busy" to me. Maybe use a plain gold or color on the phone number and tag below. With same font for both. The Dreamweaver looks a bit too busy too but not seeing the real look of the gold that may be deceptive. Kerning yes.
Id probably try the studio in a solid color and maybe rearrange its position to see if it would look better.
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Congratulations to Robert Beverly! You are one smart cookie... you want to learn and you aren't letting your ego get in the way... a sure sign of a winner in the graphics world. You got some excellent responses with what is known as "constructive" criticism.. since they not only pointed out problems, but told you WHY they were problems and HOW to solve them.... You lucky guy... Were you just born smart or did you learn this in school? If more graphic artists had your attitude... the world of graphics would be a beautiful place. LE
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Hello Robert Well I would have to Agree with most of the advice given. It was all on target and pointed out some of the weak and strong points of your lettering. Now I may have over stepped my bounds taken it a little far etc. etc. But I went ahead and came up with another layout for ya. just for ships and giggles and well to tell ya the truth i was bored. and who knows if ya like it enough maybe worth the change. Not to say you will or its worth it. One thing I've noticed in the past is when you have big solid blocks of copy like "DREAMWEAVER" they get a little difficult to read so I often break the boundries (I read that in Sign Craft somewhere)to give it a rougher profile or I will use upper / lower case. I feel it draws more attention and conveys more feeling. Anyway enough already. If this picture dosn't post this will all be for nothing. (my first titme tryin to post a pic) and by the of chance that you do like it let me know I'll be happy to send you a vector file
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Eric's rework is nice. I agree with others on the shadowing not working,darker shade maybe with outlinging main copy in red to go along with shade and pull whole design together. The words "studios and signs and graphics" pulls away from the rest. I have to agree also that it takes guts to throw yourself open like this. I'll bet you are very successful.
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YES!...I admit that the design from Eric was and is far superior to mine... I would love to get that design Eric...
FYI....I was the dummy that suggested the logo art contest. I know where my weaknesses are and openly admit I am ignorant in the area of graphics...and I have NO problem admitting it!
Thanks to all of you for the help...heck..You guys brought to my attention things I did not even consider!
PS..Thank god I have time to change it before I drive it to the meet in Oklahoma next month...LOL
I can just see em NOW!
Thanks Again!!! Drmwvr
------------------ Robert Beverly Dreamweaver Studios Arlington, Texas
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Eric....I LOVE IT!!!!! Wanna be my design guy?????
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very nice Eric. I was just gonna post to the effect that I didnt really notice the blue decorations on the front of the truck first time and that i would try to encorporate some of the color in the lettering, which you did.
I started out way before computers and used thumbnails for ideas. I tend to try a couple designs and then just let them evolve into something else much as we are doing here if there is a lot of leeway as to what can be designed.
LE is right, you are smart to ask opinions. I object when someone comes on and asks for a design to be made for them without even having an idea of their own. Being a pessimist I suspect in those cases the person may just know or care nothing about this business they just decided to get in and find this place a good source for freebie designs.
Also might add that I rarely did anything that later I didnt think I could have improved on.
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