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I have a customer who suggests vinyl on sunbrella for his marina. Is there a special vinyl for this type of application? Is it not recommended? Would the sunbrella sign give him a longer lasting sign then 18 lb. banner? What would be the life of such a sign?
Also where would I find a durable vinyl with the old type brown "veneer look" for a background for signs?
I am new in the vinyl sign business and your help would be greatly appreciated.
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vinyl will not stick to sunbrella. It looks better then vinyl, but is not suitable for substitution unless you either screenprint the copy with naz-Dar PX series inks, or if you can hand letter you could paint the lettering with 1-shot enamels or the same Naz-Dar inks. You could also use a stencil from vinyl & paint the copy that way. Glenn did a step-by-step that you should be able to locate by checking the home page here & looking for step-by-steps.
Also you could use a dacron material that can be cut on your plotter. It is not as good a solution as my first choices, but far more suitable then sticking vinyl on there. You can find it from Bainbridge (who makes it) or from other sign supply outfits like, I believe Clarke Systems.
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I've used Gerber's heat transfer flock on sunbrella with excellent results-- razor sharp edges, plenty of color choices, and the stuff is bulletproof. Lots faster and less hassle than the mask-and-paint method. Apply to the raw matl before any finishing (seams/grommets).
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Jim I don't have much to add. I remember this topic being brought up before, but these boys already beat me to it.
I do want to apologize if you felt ignored in chat last night. We DO answer questions posed there, but you happen to come in right after the much anticipated panel swap pictures were posted and we were all pre-occupied with those. Please join us again when you get a chance.
-------------------- Chris Welker Wildfire Signs Indiana, Pa Posts: 4254 | From: Indiana, PA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Hi Jim, Just a couple of weeks ago I painted a logo on an awning in "upscale" nearby Sausalito CA that required pms colors (lght.gray and blue) on black Sunbrella. The logo had delicate serifed letters and the graphic elements were also on the delicate-side. It was located at an entry point at the main entrance and "had to look clean!" So for the first time I tried a mask. The job turned out, as the hotel manager says "superb". The mask I used was by "Action Art". It provided alot of tack, was a thicker/more rigid material that went on easy enough and came off crisp. This awning was already in place and we used our hands behind awning to provide stability when applying. I used One Shot Poster Paints that I have always used on awnings when lettering due to quicker recoating. Fellow signman Ken Turner who assisted me turned me on to adding "diatomceuos" to paint to thicken it up in order to reduce seepage.Ken has been using this mask exclusively. We brushed on paints from edge of mask inward to awning fabric doing three coats of the light gray and two on the blue. When we removed mask there were two very small spots that got under mask. I took a razor blade and scraped off clean. Ken advised me to use my older fitches because the diatomaceous will eventually cut-up the bristles. The diatomaceous is used in swimming pool filters to "cut away" and clean filter. It is something you want use cautiously and not want to breath in on a regular basis. You can find mask at fabtec.com The addition of the diatomaceous is something Ken came up with, and using poster-paints is something I been doing. Added up it produced outstanding results. I will see if I can send you a photo. Good luck!
-------------------- Rich Stebbing RichSigns Rohnert Park CA 707-795-5588 Posts: 755 | From: Rohnert Park, CA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hey Rich, haven't seen you posting in a while. Glad you got such supurb results on that. I have a sample kit from Action Art. I recall their instructions suggesting a first coat of paint the color of the awning, to eliminate visability of any seepage & seal up those areas before the final coat of lettering color. Sounds like you didn't need that step? I did need to try that idea on some mask on an HDU sign that wasn't smooth enough & it saved me in a bis way, so thought I'd mention it as another possible tip for sunbrella lettering.
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You can now bond 3M Scotchcal Electrocut series 7725 and 7125 series films to Sunbrella with the Sunbrella Graphics System. The system uses a combination of heat and vacuum to bond the film to the fabric. Glen Raven also offers a 5 year warranty on the fabric and the graphics for constant tension applications like and awning or sign face. You can find out more about the Sunbrella Graphics System at http://sgs.sunbrella.com
Doug Dubay Commercial Market Manager
Glen Raven
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