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Hi Hedz No, it's not Carnie Wilson. I should be so lucky! A local carnival concession vendor called today. I had sold her "stickers" 3 summers ago for her lemonade stand. It seems that "the letters are chipping just on the one side." These are obnoxious multi-colored vinyl letters, layered on a black outline, all in Oracal 651. I asked her if that particular side of the trailer sat in the sun, she had no idea. I live in Pennsylvania, and I know that thing sits in her yard 80% of the time, cuz nobody wants Hawaiin Shaved Ice in frickin'winter! She applied them, God only knows how,and she wants me to "fix" them. I told her to call me back with the details, for I had saved the file,but there was no way I could repair them for free. I think this was what she was trying to get. I said nobody handed me vinyl for free, in a nice way, o'course, and I would have to review the original billing to see what to charge her. So when she calls back tomorrow, what shall I tell her? Thanks & Love-JILL
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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Tell her that she needs to go to Helen Wait your warranty manager
-------------------- Harris Kohen K-Man Pinstriping and Graphix Trenton, NJ "Showing the world that even I can strategically place the pigment where its got to go." Posts: 1739 | From: Trenton, NJ, USA | Registered: Jun 2001
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Did you give her any kind of lifespan when you did these? If you told her X years, you're sorta stuck to that. I checked Oracal's website and the 651 is calendered intermediate vinyl... "for short and medium term outdoor applications". She wants them done again, she pays for it. Plain & simple. She wants them to last more than 3 years, she pays for HP cast vinyl. You get what you pay for.
-------------------- Chris Welker Wildfire Signs Indiana, Pa Posts: 4254 | From: Indiana, PA | Registered: Mar 2001
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The facts are that if the manufacture of the vinyl will only warrant Intermediate 3 to 5 years. Its pro-rata if the vinyl has been up 3 years there is only 2 years left to warrant. I would give her a credit for vinyl cost only for the two remaining years that might be left in the warrantee,this would applied to the new job. Nothing for application since she installed it herself. She has had 3 seasons of advertising out of the sign as well.
If the vinyl cost for job was say $20 20 / 5 = 4 two years remaing on warrantee = $8
quote:Originally posted by Matty McQuilkin: Nothing for application since she installed it herself. She has had 3 seasons of advertising out of the sign as well.
Vinyl value = 0 Instalation = None
Customer gets credit for 0
-------------------- Bob Sheers 24 Hour Services Columbia, MD USA 410-995-3655 bob@go-to-airport.com Posts: 140 | From: Columbia, MD, USA | Registered: Sep 1999
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hawaiian shaved ice??? my friend up here made that...does it have lexan faux bamboo shoots for the sides with multi colored lettering? is the chicks name karen? just has me kinda wonderin.
-------------------- Karyn Bush Simply Not Ordinary, LLC Bartlett, NH 603-383-9955 www.snosigns.com info@snosigns.com Posts: 3516 | From: Bartlett, NH USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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No,woman- She makes her ice outta ground-up lexan... I am the guilty party who did this one. It has typical palm-tree thingies & very colorful letters. I used the 651 because I had more of it in stock at that time. I have the worst luck with carnies...once one sat in a trailer with me & watched for 8 hours while I hand painted illegal licensed characters...he smelled like a limburger taco. I get the feeling this broad won't call back...I hope. love -JILL
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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hey jillybean, why not trade her some shaved ice for the sign? you seem to do pretty good with trades? like your latest acquisition you are working on,hmmmm? should i let the cat out of the bag? how much will ya pay me not to tell the friendly neighborhood here at letterville?? wah-hah-hah....witchie-poo.
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Hey twist-tie Please don't do it....country music fans everywhere will be insulted, and possibly carnies as well.... love jill
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Hey you... I'll put your fire out! And I'll also tell the carnie that you'll peel off all her old chipped stickers and replace them for free, hell, you'll even give her some of your special cookies! HA HA HA love Jill Pickles
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I say this, you either pay me to put it on or the warranty is null and void. She may have used camel **** for application fluid for all you know. Give her a price for new letters. Do you care if you **** her off and she goes elsewhere? Carnies suck!!!
-------------------- Rob Larkham Sign Techniques Inc. Chicopee, Ma Posts: 607 | From: Chester, Ma. | Registered: Apr 2002
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hey beans, thems fightin words! i think i will take a poll to see how many would like to know what you are trading your wares for? jilly la hooker.....hey guys,if ya wanna know, just request. i don't need bribed.curiousity killed the cat,ya know.. fiddles
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Ms. Fiddle Faddle, Leave the cat alone. And we do not need to know. And by the way my money's on Jill Pickles. Debbie Also know as Curious on chat
PS-Jill like Harris's reply best.
-------------------- Debbie Posts: 674 | From: USA | Registered: Feb 2001
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Hi Doug... Do you buy it from a vendor in a trailer with chipped letters on one side? Hi Deb...you can be my body guard any day, sweetie. Hi Fiddles...May the carnies set up camp in your back yard and ask to use your electric. Love-Pickles Galore
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picture this......long flowing dark hair, long flowing polyester peach,with an overlay of sheer chiffon,gnarly paint spattered twisty fingers, and the twang of a zither....yee-haw!!!
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Most of the Showpeople (Carnies) Have our own sign equipment now. I was a showmen for 18 years, that how I got into the sign business. I have seen carnivals with a semi-trailer sign shop that would be my dream sign shop! Karen Bush, maybe you know Bob from Storyland, he is a show-guy, great signmaker, he also own a Hawaii'n Ice joints in Storyland! My advice would be... I would tell your customer that unless we do the install, we don't back it up!
-------------------- Devin Fahie Sebago Signworks Rt. 302, Raymond, Maine 207-655-6622 devin@sebagosignworks.com Posts: 96 | From: Raymond, Maine | Registered: Jun 2003
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Hi Devin, and anyone else who cares, Well, it's been 2 days...no callbacks. I believe I will tell Ms.Carnie (if she calls) that because she did the installation, that voids out any warranty (not that I gave her one) and that if she wants another set of letters, it will cost exactly what she paid for the first set. Or I will tell her to go back to the licky-sticky place that specializes in all-caps brush script that she got her original stuff from. And for the record, Fiddles, I completed my bartering today...probably the second oldest profession was being a scribe. -thanks for the input- LOVE- jill
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We have several "sign shops" telling us they now SELL Rapid Tac in the 4oz. size to the customers that apply they're own !
This can save your reputation and a headache, only takes one customer to buy your vinyl, go home and screw up a dry application then tell all his friends how your vinyl sucks!
Actually that very scenerio has been happening for years now, ask your supplier to get you 4oz. Rapid Tac II (most distributors don't stock the 4oz. size.).
Just a thought, its working for others.
Roger
-------------------- Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated 186 Combs Dr. Merlin Oregon 97532 Posts: 3020 | From: Merlin Oregon | Registered: Dec 1998
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Thanks, Roger... I wish our suppliers from Pittsburgh, N. Glantz & Pioneer, had these. That would have been great, altho she probably would have wanted a freebie bottle... I also really wish those aforementioned suppliers would stock RapidPrep...it's great stuff. Love- JILL
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Hi! Jill.. after 3 years..you've got the choice,replace it or being smarter and faster then her just try to go back to your drawing pad and make a new graphic for her and of course take the time to explain her wy these new skecht gonna give her more efficient and more custummer.... why not?? i'm sure you can!!!
-------------------- Steven Girard steven@lettragesgirard.com
quote:.... and that if she wants another set of letters, it will cost exactly what she paid for the first set.
Don't forget that you sold it THREE years ago, your costs are not the same. I'm with the others, self installed letters have no warranty whatsoever. It's not like they were faulty or something. Good luck
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i have come to the ultimate decision. if you can't beat em, join em,jilly.take your truck and join the carnies. with that gypsy hair of yours and my card reading abilities,we could go on the road. you could give tattoos, hand drawn in one shot, and i will tell fortunes in the back room. aka known as dark lady.... ~~~~~~gypsies,tramps and thieves~~~~~ (some of jill's best customers.lol)
p.s. don't forget the plotter for those quickie lick em stick ems.
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I AM ready for the road now... either that or selling my daughter Rachael to the gypsies and/or circus! While I was out, she GAVE a customer a sign and actually said "Just call Mom about the bill" when he said he didn't have the correct change...it is coming right out of her allowance! GRRRR
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Damn Gypsies! Hmmm, only ONE side is bad?? That's what I'd ask her. Warranty, 20 mins. or 20 miles, that's what I'd tell her. Especially seeing that SHE applied them. Replace them, make some $$, and make her feel like you did it for free. What goes around, comes around?? As far as hitting the road is concerned, I have room for you here in sunny Fla. The purple hair is kool (anything to **** people off). If you leave now, you can be here for the Mini Meet in Gainesville next weekend. Faye, give up the dirt! I want all the details. E-mail me with the nasty truth!
-------------------- Luke S. Luke Scanlan Artistry Ocala, Fl. lukescanlan@cox.net Posts: 249 | From: Ocala, Florida | Registered: Nov 2001
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Hey, Lukie... Wow! Somebody FINALLY figured out exactly why i torture my hair! To cheeze people off! I give up. I'm gonna join the carny myself... Jillybeano, the rainbow headed woman with the matching shag rug .... How's THAT for dirty details, boy-o? Love- JILL
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Having been a Carny for a summer (running the Tubs O'Fun) I know Carny Folk. Small hands and smell like cabbage! But they're a mean lot, let me tell ya. They'll cutcha quick as look at ya.
But, having said that, tell her to take a flying leap into the zeppole vat! She ain't gettin' no free vinyl!
-------------------- Mark Rogan The Great Barrington Sign Company 2 Stilwell Street, Great Barrington, MA 01230 mark@gbsignco.com
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watch for a new look for jilly.... around the end of the month. if i can sneak a camera around.lol. no it is not a sinead look.lol. the gypsies may steal her away. we used to leave her on the front porch, but they brought her back all the time.???? fiddles
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity. — Charles Mingus Posts: 6736 | From: Mendocino, CA. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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i had to look at jillbeans baby pics to see what color her hair really is...lol.of course i have no room to talk.. did the same all my life. not purple/blue/pink..green once.
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