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Jay Allen
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Letterheads,

A few years ago a friend of mine who is a business consultant advised me - after listening to my complaints about the sign business and cash flow - to offer my clients various payment options. His advice was this:

1) Price it one way with the standard 50% deposit - balance due on completion

2) A different price if the whole thing was to be billed and paid later (corporations are notorious for this - "Our billing process won't allow that" WAH! WAH! - Cry-babies)

3) Offer them a 5% discount for prepaid work. Note: mark it up 5% before you state the price.

Similar to Mike Jackson's long-held idea of 3-tier pricing, you now have another option for payment. The clients love it!!!! At least ours have.

How much do they love it? Let me put it this way, we have done just over $175,000 for the year so far (through today - I need more though!!!). Anybody want to guess how much of that was prepaid?

$96,910.00 of it. How's that for using someone else's money?

Granted, one job was for over $60K - but that is still over $35,000.00 in prepaid work in a 'normal' year. Cash flow has never been better (until recently that is - why the slowdown? who knows??!!) We just signed up another account the same way today - almost $4,700.

True, you can get caught short of cash sometimes - but you can easily make it up if you are making a profit. Document your time, people!! We do a daily time sheet for every job we work on and look later at what is profitable - and what is not. Get rid of the dead wood!!!

But please try this once to see if it works for you. Those with extra cash now see this as a buyer's market - and here's your way to get in on it. It's all about the psychology of the 'buyer'.

Good luck!!

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Jay Allen
ShawCraft Sign Co.
Machesney Park, IL
jallen222@aol.com
http://www.shawcraft.com/

"The object of the superior man is truth."
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Doug Allan
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sounds great - I'm in!
easier said then done when it comes to breaking old habits or developing new ones, but this one sounds well worth the effort.

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Doug Allan
http://www.islandsign.com

"you get what you settle for"

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Raymond Chapman
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Aw, come on Jay, that won't work in my area.

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Chapman Sign Studio
Temple, Texas
chapmanstudio@sbcglobal.net

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Wayne Webb
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I have always done that with a certain client of ours. Give them a 2% discount for cutting the check within 10 days only I add the 2% to the price beforehand. If I know they will be paying with a corporate card, I add 3%. If you don't do this, they will not cut the check for 45 days.

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Wayne Webb
Webb Signworks
Chipley, FL
850.638.9329
wayne@webbsignworks.com

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Bob Burns
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1. SHOOT THE CUSTOMER
2. TAKE HIS WALLET
3. HIDE THE BODY

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Bob Burns


www.vondutch.freeservers.com

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Jay Allen
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HEE HEE - Good answer, Raymond!!

You beat someone to the punch with that response. Now get that tongue out of your cheek.

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Jay Allen
ShawCraft Sign Co.
Machesney Park, IL
jallen222@aol.com
http://www.shawcraft.com/

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Ray Rheaume
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I gotta go with Bob this time.

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Ray Rheaume
Rapidfire Design
543 Brushwood Road
North Haverhill, NH 03774
rapidfiredesign@hotmail.com
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I like my paint shaken, not stirred.

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Jane Diaz
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....do you ever feel the urge to answer the phone... [Mad] "WHAT DO YOU WANT"

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Jane Diaz
Diaz Sign Art
628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, Il. 61764
815-844-7024
www.diazsignart.com

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Janette Balogh
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hahahaha... Jane!
YES! More like ... "oh GEEEEZ, WHADDAYA WANT???"
Especially this week. Oh heck, this MONTH!

You know what's funny, ... I actually say that when I know it's a regular customer I can "fun" with. (gotta love caller id)

hey Jay, I like that idea ... but "that won't it work in my area!" [Wink]

heehee!
Nettie

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Janette Balogh
Creative Studio

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www.janettebalogh.com

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Kissymatina
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quote:
Originally posted by Jane Diaz:
....do you ever feel the urge to answer the phone... [Mad] "WHAT DO YOU WANT"

I do that when it's another Letterhead calling. [Wink] I love caller id.

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Chris Welker
Wildfire Signs
Indiana, Pa

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Mike Pipes
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An even better way to earn more, faster, is for shops that don't accept credit cards to start accepting them so you can take advantage of impulse buys and increase your "turnovers" or "conversions".

When you're dealing with companies that have money, "discounts" for prepaid jobs works but there are times when you'll get a new business owner that is so close to opening his doors but has been nickel and dimed to death til his wallet and checking account have been sucked dry. Trust me, you do NOT want this guy on 15, 30, 45 day terms because you won't get paid. He may however, have a credit card that has some balance left on it. Cha-Ching! Now you don't have to let him walk out the door without shaking him down a little to get a job started.

Plus, these days almost everyone has an ATM card that functions as a debit card, taking money straight from their checking account. If you can accept credit cards, you can also run their debit card through the same system so it's even more convenient.

My sales have gone up dramatically since I started accepting credit/debit, in both volume and the size of the sale. Snag that impulse buy when they're ready to spend it, don't give them ANY time to re-think their purchase or the chance to go to someone else that *does* accept credit cards.

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Mike Pipes
stickerpimp.com
Lake Havasu, AZ
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Steve Estes
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Jay, Jay, Jay! How you gonna get half of a six pack up front when it takes the whole thing to stop shaking?

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Steve Estes
Sign Studio
Calvert City, Ky 42029

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Dennis Raap
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Mike, my wife and have been thinking of getting hooked up with taking credit cards. I am going to show her your post I think it makes a lot of sense. [Thanks]

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Dennis Raap
Raap Signs

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Laurie Goretski
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Hey Jay, another way to get more money in your pocket is not to pay for Letterheads meets in full. Sound like someone you know?

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Lauri Goretski
Custom Murals
N6334 HWY 107
TOMAHAWK WI 54487
CustomMurals1@aol.com

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I don't know how your pricing works, but mine goes like this:

Price of materials, plus time and labor, plus 20 percent. These costs equal the deposit.

The half you get after the work is done should go right into the bank.

I don't have "dead wood" because each job earns at least 100% profit.

If you need the whole check up front, maybe a price increase is what you need.

If a credit card company takes 3% of 175K, Thats 5 grand that just slipped through your fingers. Ka-Ching.

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Mike Duncan
Lettercraft Signs

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