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I had purchase a Money order to give to one of the on going projects of this site ,,,, but the one's involved refused it..... SO I went to Wal-mart and purchase a gift certificate in the amount of thirty some dollars.......
It is my contention that ANY one who post on this site IS a supporter,,,,, and in recognition of that idealism I would like to do something nice for them,,,,
I believe it is REAL nice that Steve rewards his LOYALs,,, and carrots the donkey,,,,
But WHY should the rest of HIS site supporters be LEFT out..... (they should NOT)..
SO I shall....voluntary take this position,,, and we will have a GAME of or OWN....
GAME> guess the last four numbers of that money order...such as 4892 or 1297 or your best guess......
RULES> ONLY VISITORS may participate.....Only one guess per Visitor... you MUST be a visitor on the last day of the drawing...
Term Visitor as defind by the management of this site...
The one coming closest to that number will WIN the GIFT CERTIFICATE from Wal-Mart....
The GAME win run till Valentines DAY.....
No I am not rich,,, No you will not win Sign Crap,,,,, because there is more to life than SIGNS.....good luck,,, have a good clean game,,,,,,Twain,TBuk...
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LET'S see here.... I haven't paid my dues this year and it is January 31st. Does that make me a visitor again? When does the residency year start and end? I paid in the late summer, so when do I officially become non-resident? (Walmart has a sale on primer right now, folks. Have you ever tried the Kilz that is water-based? I really like it!)
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Steve - Ted may be right. Send back my taxes so I can be in his contest. I'll send back the cool fonts and stuff to be fair.
Just be sure that everyone does this so the site can crumble up and die.
Next Letterhead meet's at TBUK's. No admission and everyone gets a gift certificate. But no talking about signs.
C'mon - Ted, why the lingering resentment of those who choose to financially support the site?
It's mutiny I tell ya! Hang him from the yardarm!
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I think Ted is feeling surges of the last earthquake.
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Good Morning TBUK. Hope your morning is going well. I would like to play your game. But I guess I am excluded. I am not rich (money wise) either. And I get the point you are trying to make. It is easy to feel excluded if you let it get to you. There are those that make a big deal out of being residents. And those that make a big deal out of being visitors. Just do what you feel is right. Don't let it get to you. I just feel that you give to those things that are important. And yep, you are right, we (you) all give by posting our thoughts. I enjoy most everyones input. I also know how much time and effort things take. Sheesh....just to build a simple website is time consuming. For a sign magazine subscription, it is expensive, but you don't get all the entertainment you get here on the BB. I am not saying it is best to be a resident, or best to be a visitor. Just be yourself! And be Happy. You are a good person TBUK. Take care! (and keep those posts coming)
Tbuk, you are making a good point of making all that join in on this site feel worthy. And I admire that fact. Deb
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NEV,,,,LOL, it seems you swam up to the pier, climb up the ladder, walk the full lenth, just to dive off the DIRT end..... ANYONE of this site is welcome to my house, for a bar B Q, where we will talk of many things,,,NOT JUST SIGNS.... I also support the supporters,,,,,this post is NOT about that... thanks for your input.tbuk
DEB,,,sorry gal,,, you are NOT qualified to play... (in this game) good luck at Steve's drawings... you are good till your pay date of july... check with Barb for more info...tbuk
Cheryl,,, ya must be a carpenter'' you hit the nail on the head,,, I think I'll crack me open a corona'' and continplate what you said, Twain,TBuk
just when I thought I might get some good primer (or some more paper towels..or...) good luck to you visitors!!!!!
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I would like to see Steve and Barb turn this into a business and make big bucks off us and take exotic non-sign related vacations and feel proud of their business acumen. The deal of this being a non profit service that struggles like our business' stinks. There should be a 30 day trial for visitors. There should be a portion of the dues paid by the sign magazines. Amazon.com should be paying a good portion of the sponsorship here too, and sending their missionaries to our homes from the lists that Shortreed sells. Man, these folks should take us for a ride we'll never forget so we could learn how it's done in the real world.
------------------ The SignShop Mendocino, California "Where the Redwoods meet the Surf"
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As a recent , what I hope to be active participant on this page, I ran across this message and just have to throw my 2 cents in.
Up till my activity on this page, I have been extremely reluctant to share knowledge to others of what I do (and the years spent learning it), but having spent a little time on this site, I have come to realize that (as many of you) the VALUE of information and the many folks here that freely share that info without hesitation has humbled me greatly and just in the last few weeks, I have gained knowledge that spending lots on books would not have come close to satisfying...therefore I felt compelled as a business person to realize that without this page...would I have ever learned this much...yes...trade shows (mucho bucks just to get in...much less the travel)....sign catalogs...?????
Yes....I am proud to be a resident...that tells everyone that does share that info freely without charge that I am in support of this format and hope to goodness that the info keeps pouring in. I can't paint worth a darn and one day hope to work with someone that does without being charged large fees for teaching me.
For those who remain visitors...your choice but can you say that this page has not been beneficial at all?.....and if so...how much?..I can't beleive that it has been worth less than 55 bucks.
As for Steve, If you make a fortune off this page above and beyond it's operating cost, I say TA...your hard work and fresh format is what drew me here to begin with....I figure on saving at least 10K this year just because of a few tips I learned here...
What A Steal!!!!!!!
Drmwvr
------------------ Robert Beverly Dreamweaver Studios Arlington, Texas
NEV,,,,LOL, it seems you swam up to the pier, climb up the ladder, walk the full lenth, just to dive off the DIRT end..... ANYONE of this site is welcome to my house, for a bar B Q, where we will talk of many things,,,NOT JUST SIGNS.... I also support the supporters,,,,,this post is NOT about that... thanks for your input.tbuk
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...Ted - backatcha...
I'll take you up on that BBQ sometime if you agree to come have some gator tail if you ever land in FLA.
Different paths - same destination.
------------------ Pat Neve, Jr. Sign Man, Inc. 4580 N. US 1 Melbourne, FL 32935 321-259-1703 signman@signmaninc.com Capt. Sign Letterville Constituent constituent: "One of the individual entities contributing to a whole"
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questions..... What do you think it cost [ moneywise ] to put up a site like this one? jOE, THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO DO THIS SITE,,,,, STEVE HAS CHOOSEN ONE THAT PLEASE'S HIMSELF,,, I FEEL I DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU IN OPEN FORUM THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE HAD WITH STEVE REGUARDING THIS MATTER.... if you want to know how much it cost then call him...and ASK....TBUK
Isn't Steves time worth anything? WELL JOEY,,,, BATED BUT I WILL TAKE A SHOT AT IT...YES, I THINK SO,, BUT STEVE THINKS HIS LIFE INGENERAL IS NOT WORTH MUCH AS HE SMOKES AND EATS AWAY WHAT LITTLE IS LEFT...TBUK
Do you think everyone shops at walmart?YES JOEY I DO......TBUK
How much does an ounce of herb cost these days?JOEY,, YES YOU GOT ME THERE I JUST BOUGHT AN OZer OF SAFFRONE,,, AND WOW, IS THAT CRAP EXPENSIVE.... BUT WHEN YOU THINK OF HOW MANY FLOWERS IT TAKES TO MAKE A SMALL AMOUNT,,, WELL HELL THERE YOU GO''''tbuk
Why is it that californians use so much electricity?BECAUSE WERE SELF CENTERED....tbuk
How come the west coast always takes credit for something new?WE SPLIT IT WITH THE OTHER CULTERUAL CENTER New York ALL THE REST IS OREGAN AND WHATEVER MONDAINE STATE MAKES UP THE OTHER 48 tbuk and lastly...
How come you are spelling your words out correctly these days?I TOOK SOME ADVICE FROM MIKE JACKSON AND GOT LEARENED,,,,BUT NOW THAT I CAN SPLLE PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING,,,, KNOW WHAT I MEEN JOEY!!!!Twain,TBuk.
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TBUK Sorry but I got to asks this question. Did you sleep on a Ant hill last night? Really what bit your ass! I was a visitor for a year and had people tell myself I shouldn't be talking so loud about this or that, but the true was I have learnt to respect others for their time out to answer my questions.. I like to input too.. right or wrong! The more I grew with the people here I have come to the conclusion that everyone has help me with some time out of their business or family life just to answer my questions.
As far as the business of Steve & Barb (didn't they put their time into this site to make it work for others?) I think any payment is worth the effort.
Now for the prizes..I have the luck of a frenchman..None at all!!! So I can't enter your contest as I know I will not win! (Never have at anything) But the luckiest thing I do have is good people and friends here....
Raven/2001
Sit back and be glad your not getting the snow..
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"you can include some of the people some of the time, but you can't include all of the people all of the time" Meaning ME! I can't participate in the monthly draws yet because I'm not a resident yet and even if I win Ted's I cant't use the voucher because we don't have K-mart or Walmart here. I can't even go to have a beer and BBQ with any of yis until someone in this house gets a job that pays ALL of the bills! Isn't that one of the great things about this website - no matter what else I don't have, I have got access to information and advice regardless of my ability to pay. So both sides are right on this one and remember folks some of us are embarassed at not being in a position to become residents yet.
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STEPHEN, As with so many residents who have chosen to post negative to this post are OFF topic.. and have miss the mark TOTALY....come on people work with me here....drop all your CRAP of Steve this and steve that.... I am with you....I like Steve,, He has invited himself to sleep with me..... NOW if YOU think or HE thinks I am going to pay him for that..LOL,,,well thats just BULL...but I will keep ya informed if he is as good as he thinks he is....
This post is to say thank you to the people who HAVE chose to NOT be a RES... I don't give a damn what there reason.... that is NOT the point....the point is they are A PART OFF US...and I reconize them.....do you? some don't post in FEAR of there statis,,,, of the GODS''of rightest, of people such as the ones who have leep on this post as NEG... there is NO division here other then what the management has installed...I am not questioning that...Twain,TBuk.
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A thirty dollar gift certificate? For another 20 bucks you could be a resident and win a great prize.
Many times I've spent 50 bucks on something and thought it was a waste of money but this wasn't one of them. Yes we could use the site anyway...which I did for a year or two and I don't feel bad about that. I just felt it was time to help keep this site going, and if I win a CD or book along the way then that's great. Perks are nothing new...some (not all) motels give donuts and coffee, etc...but I don't ask the non-giving motels where the donuts are.
To me it's mostly a learning experience, but meeting all the people here is also a perk...and that one is free. I've read a lot of stuff here that has answered a lot of questions and usually without me having to ask them. I've saved $50 many times over in mistakes I would have made if not for this site.
What I think is wrong is when a company offers perks to "new" subscribers and the longtime loyal customers don't get them.
Well....I'm going to lunch...I have a card from Mazzios that every 7th lunch is free.
------------------ When good things happen...that must be a sign!! Tony McDonald DBA-Ace Graphics & Printing P.O. Box 91 Camdenton, MO. USA (573) 346-6696 <daddyo@advertisnet.com> <tony@brownbeverage.com>
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I wasn't going to respond to this, but after reading back through it I changed my mind.
I'm not going to apologize for being a "loyal". Every damned one of us deserves to make a living by getting money to live on no matter what the source. If Steve/Barb can make it happen here......good for them. If he wants ot smoke and eat till his sign is "posted",....let him. It's HIS life, not yours, bud.
I read every post and respond with whatever meager knowledge I might have to anyone who can use it. I have YET to read one single postive post from you since you came back here. Your advice has yet to be ANYthing usable.
.......and no thanks to the bar-b-q......I'm sure everyone there will be eating bar-b-q'd crow.
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Tony, thanks for your thoughts, I know you post before I made an xplanation of this topic... Tony it is NOT about money...I care less if it was 2 cents....I am a VISITOR out of choses... And Steve knows that if I choose I shall RES. again....the KEY word is IF (I)....tbuk
Perrie,,, LOL thanks for rethinking, and making good your first mistake by posting to my post....and Crow is fine with me,,,but as a geo. lesson'' that would be Ravens in my area... but you may bring a Crow if`n ya like... will trow it on the BarBee,,, and with drawn butter your in for a real treat....tbuk
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Maybe,...........Will it be basted with wine sauce??
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OPPPSsssssssss Sorry Karen,how selfish of me,,,, I forgot were INTERnational....If you like and anyoe else if you win I will cash the gift coupon and send you the CASH then you might have one less bill......or whatever you like... Karen if that is what was keeping you from the game..drop a number on this post ..... if it was something elese ... I understand,,,sometimes it is hard to stand on a point,,,, not much room to move one way or the other....ONE of my more comfertable positions in life....Twain,TBuk.
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I know you guys are talking to each other, but I do have a lot of respect for Steve and Barb and the site is so good to all of us. Amen.
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This is a great idea you have come up with. I have asked before: "Why not give "visitors" a monthly drawing as well? (I don't think anyone heard me... so I was e giving away some free downloads to residents and visitors alike.
The more traffic to a website, the better the advertising dollars from the big companies.
Sorry you are getting so much flack. You have two themes running in your opening thread. One about a contest, the other about who really is a supporter. The second theme is screwing up your good intentions.
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Thanks Drape,,,your right,,, if you have time would you please address the exact phrase your in reference to,,, I have inserted a Hook or two,,, I will edit if deem nesscery,, I trust your (opinyon).... damn-it never did learned that word...perhaps I don't used it enough... maybe we all will settle down and have a good game,,, THAT WAS my intent...Twain,TBuk.
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If I'm correct, I believe visitors AND residents recieve gifts daily. Advice from this site. The initial true intent of this site.
Visitors AND residents are all special. However, residents need encouragement to help support this site and the draws seem to be effective. Otherwise, why pay when it's not mandatory?
I admire your intention Ted. However, I'm wondering why you take it upon yourself to have these 'draws' with money you've put out yourself. I agree, for only $20 more, you'd be a resident that would qualify for monthly big time awesome draws. In return, due to no 'extra' perks for being a visitor, others may be enticed to participate in the resident game to also have the opportunity to recieve these cool prizes as well as helping to support one heckuva site.
If the Shortreeds were millionaires, I'd still donate my $50. Simply because the value is there.
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Donna, nice statements, and true as always, ....and maybe there is no prejudice in the world and maybe there is no boundaries or borders, and maybe the visitors of this site are NOT interested in participating, and maybe they are not in fear of the Killer whale mentality that often prevails on this site.....
But let us forget about all that for a bit,,, as a side bar' please allow me to relate something that took place the other day...
It was mid afternoon, I was enjoying a bier on top of my shop,, when the dogs started to bark. I know by there tone that I had visitors....I walk to the gate where stood a little girl quite nervous, and her Mom,,, apprehensive of my appearance......The young girl was a Girl Scout selling cookies.... I remember my daughter,,, and I could feel my eyes swell with tears....
I ask the Scout, to please give me her little speech, and beckon her Mom to step back and allow the girl the spot light..of which she did,,, and the Girl and I spoke,,, and we laugh,,. I ask her what kind of cookies she had,,,, she stumbled over some of the terms,, but we all had a good visit, and when It was said and done I purchase eight boxes @ 3.00 each...... WHY... cause I believe in the Child effort and sincerity,,, it is a good cause,,, and cause I can....
Many have Basted me today,,, for some how they see me as a NON''',,, what I do for this site, is not visible to them,,,I have no badge, by way of MY choose...
I choose to remain silent.... on how I support this site financially,,,, But in MY own defense, let me say that my fone bill each month is at least 60.00 more then it should be...for I take it upon myself to call people of this site if they are having problems,, or just need someone to bitch at.... and I,,,,, well never mind,,,
You see Donna I may not give a quarter,,, but I give most of my heart...for I have no one else....
You ask me WHY,,, Donna because I believe,, and I live by myself, I have NO one to answer to how I spend my money,,, Sep the dogs I guess"""
It is for me, a good place this Visitor thing,,, for I might represent the Meek, the hidden, the ones frighten by you'all. .. I don't care about the Tags""" I do CARE that I might be understood, and although outspoken, allowed to speak...
I do care if I am liked by the mass,,,, but I will not follow to achieve that goal...
I don't care about the perks,,, that is NOT to say they are not bitchen,,, IT is just that they have no value to me,,, I am not speaking monetarily,,,
If I were to win I would refuse the item,,, and instruct Steve to recycle it to the next drawing.....for I am not a part of this site to take,,,but rather give,,,, of myself.....and from the response of the most I reckon that worth is not appreciated,,,,,so be it''
Donna, I cherish your statement of admiration,, for I feel you are a truthful person... Thank you for your post....NOW on with the game...Twain,TBuk.
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U B a good man TBUK! I have learned from visitors as well as residents. And we are ALL a family here. I don't know Steve and Barb personally, but I have not heard visitors discouraged here. All are made to feel welcome and you are certainly doing your part. I chose to send in the taxes because I chose to.
Come on visitors let's see who has the lucky numbers.
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To all, I'm a regular visitor here and have spent many hours in the past replying to others posts for help, hopefully some of my efforts were useful to those in need. I have also asked for help a couple times but have yet to have received information on my problems,,, either they were too technical or too bland for anyone to bother, I don't know, maybe it was because I am not a monetary supporter of this site but only support it with valuable time I could be using on my own projects. It costs me (and a lot of others) in time every week a couple hundred dollars to try and help a few people out here so I feel I have paid more than my 'dues' to be a part of this site. I try to stay away from the controversial BS here that keeps the S--T stirred because thats not what this site is about to me, I come here to try and help the new comers to the business from making the same mistakes I did in the beginning. I have been reprimanded because I posted the name and number of a supplier that someone was in need of and was accused of promoting a non-merchant. I agree with TBUK, it is more than sending in fifty bucks and getting that 'visitor' tag removed from your posting status, its helping others with shared knowledge that Letterheads is about.
Larry,,,,,
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Larry! Ask me a questiuon! I'll tell you everything I know! Actually, I don't remember what you're speaking of, but I'll make a point to answer you when I see your posts. I've been in the biz for 39 years now. Sorry you were ignored.
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
I am sorry you feel you have been ignored! I certainly don't make a thing of answering "resident" only posts. I log on most days, and if I see something I can help with or vice versa then thats great. I asked a "simple" question about a virus problem I had a couple of days ago and Mike at Translab came up trumps, I could have spent an hour trying to get thru on a support line for the same help or not, point is an hour of my time is over $50 so I reckon the help this site gives me, and the fun i have in corresponding with signmakers all over the world make it worth that to me, but that's just me. I didn't ask for a "resident" tag but its there. I understand what TBUK is trying to do and good luck to him, but I don't feel there is a them and us regards tag status. Sometimes I feel it in other ways, I have posted interesting sign topics here and got very little response, and then seen more controversial posts get megahits, but not getting a response on the board doesn't mean that people don't read your posts. I think that there are plenty who read but are a little shy to post. maybe some are shy to express an opinion for fear of being shouted down. So if Ican ever help feel free to ask, this is International, and not all things are relavant over borders!
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I have read most of this post and then I just skipped right to the bottom.... it seems to be the same thing rehashed by another person with the same point to make. Great arguments from both sides of the fence though.
TBUK, My answer is 1968. & if I ever get to California again I'll take you up on that open offer of a BBQ.
Have a great day, Steve
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