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A bunch of you Lettervillians have expressed an interest in having the new panel swap involve fictitious businesses that might be found in Letterville. We have prepared a list for you to choose from.
You are to figure out a name and a design for your business. Names for these can be serious, funny, puns, innuendoes, or tongue in cheek.
Rules for “On The Streets of Letterville” Panel Swap.
All entries must be sent via e-mail to letterville_panel_swap@hotmail.com . No other entries will be honored, accepted, listened to, heeded, given attention to, looked at, or just generally noticed in any way. NO EXCEPTIONS.
All entries must be received by Sept. 1, 2003.
Anyone who participated in previous panel swap and failed to deliver a panel will be ineligible for this swap. That is the general consensus of the people we have talked to and I see no reason to disagree with them.
All entries must include the following information*:
Business address Home address Business or work telephone number Home telephone number
* None of this information will be shared will anyone without permission. No other personal information will be needed save your bank and credit card numbers. I do get paid for this, right? Any entries not containing this information will be returned and/or rejected.
All entrants will choose five of the following businesses and city features:
* Police Department * Optometrist * * * Port-a-Potties Telephone Company * Insurance Agent Craft Store Adult Store (XXX) Appliance Store Electronics Shop Garbage (Refuse) Collector Retirement Home * Zoo Park * * Barber Shop Lumber Yard Tanning Salon Realtor * Liquor Store * * Hobby Shop Health Food Store Flea Market Farm Equipment Dating Service Dry Cleaners Chiropractor Catering Service * Beauty Salon Auctioneer Art Supply Store * Accountant Record and CD Shop * Clock Repair Moving Company * * Doctor (General Practitioner) Psychiatrist School (Vocational or otherwise) Day Care Center * * Butcher Shop * * * Body Shop Grocery Store * * * * Pet Store Used Car Dealer Pet Groomer Exterminator Gym Construction Company Plumber Electrician Landscaper * Pizza and Sub Shop * * * Golf Course Driving Range Arcade Gift Shop Ice Cream Parlor * * Hardware Store Paint and Wallpaper Store Drug Store Motel Heating and Cooling Candy Store Bank Lawyer Cab Company * * * * * Motorcycle Shop Dentist * * *
Entrants will be assigned one of their choices. All choices will be honored on a first come first served basis. This will allow for the greatest number of business types to be utilized without having repeats. If we forgot one type of business that is prevalent in your area, let us know and a decision will be made regarding your choice. There will be no Sign Shops or Pinstriping Shops featured in the “On The Streets of Letterville” Panel Swap. This one place where the owners really could do their own signs…
When your project is done, you submit photographic proof (an e-mail address will be provided for that because the Hotmail account will not take the large files that are going to be sent) and you will given the name of the person you will send your project to.
This will allow all our international Letterheads to play also. I am sure that most of us would not have a problem with waiting for an incoming panel if they were assured that one was actually on it's way.
This is going to assure that anyone who submitted a project will actually receive one in return. This is going to ease a lot of doubting minds as to whether their efforts will be in vain or not. All panels are open to any type of sign, prop, medium, etc. It doesn’t matter if you use paint, vinyl, digital printing, carving, blasting, wood, HDU, metal, etc. You are governed only by your imagination, budget, time, etc.
All entries MUST be completed and shipped by October 15th, 2003. Pictures must be e-mailed to an address to be determined. This will give you six weeks to complete your project. They will then be posted for all to oohed and ahhed over, flaunted, shown off, boasted of, and generally held to praise.
Anyone not completing their project in a timely fashion will have their names displayed for all the world to see to be cajoled, have dispersions cast upon, their characters questioned, ridiculed, ball busted, flamed, roasted, made fun of, and generally looked down upon. You have been warned.
Good luck and I look forward to hearing from you all!
Have a great one!
[ August 27, 2003, 11:57 PM: Message edited by: Bruce Bowers ]
-------------------- Bruce Bowers
DrCAS Custom Lettering and Design Saint Cloud, Minnesota
"Things work out best for the people who make the best of the way things work out." - Art Linkletter Posts: 6454 | From: Saint Cloud, Minnesota | Registered: Jun 1999
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I had let the dogs out in the middle of the night and checked what he posted. He had it listed that "no one" who didn't finish would be ineligible... so I changed it to "anyone".
I had to fess up!!
Sure am looking forward to this one!!!
ps... DUH!!! geesh.... must be early... I spelt sumthin wrong!! oh brother... edit edit edit... LOL!!
[ August 15, 2003, 06:37 AM: Message edited by: Dana Bowers ]
-------------------- Dana Ferry St Cloud, MN Posts: 1556 | From: St Cloud, MN | Registered: May 1999
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Now it sounds/feels like work. The problem with different takes (repeats) on a particular business would be? What if you have cool ideas in your head that don't relate to what you've been "assigned"?
Assign me what you want, I won't ask permission to enjoy running with the voices in my head ... forgiveness later is easier
-------------------- Compulsive, Neurotic, Anti-social and Paranoid ... but basically Happy Posts: 2677 | From: Rochester, NY, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I sent my e-mail in but I thought you were to "pick 5" of the business' that "YOU" want make and then that is what you send to your panel pal.
Example, one of my choices was the "Movie Theatre", I am then assigned that business and I get Bruce in the draw, I then make a "Movie Theatre" themed panel and send it to Bruce....
Is this correct????
Or is Dave correct and as usual I am totally lost???
-------------------- Troy "Metalleg" Haas 626 Kingswood Dr Evansville,In 47715 Posts: 1100 | From: Evansville,Indiana, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I have to side with Joey here. There are both pinheads and letterheads here. I am both, but many pinstripers don't letter or make signs. These would all be signs. I think I like the more open format for choosing to do what you do best. Pinstripe art, fine art, sign, carving, gold leaf etc. This is a cool idea, but what about the pinhead buddies??
Maybe we should have a Pinhead Panel Exchange seperately.
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:rolleyes:Im sorry i am going to pass on this one for the sole reason that I am to busy at the shop but i do think it is a mistake to forget that their are a lot of pinheads on this board.
-------------------- Ryan Young Indocil Art & Design indocil@comporium.net 803-980-6765
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Dave, I think Troy has it right... but if anyone sends me an AllEn's anything... it's coming back for a repaint
Now tell me Mark, or Joey if some dude comes up all stoked about your striping work, says he owns a Tattoo Parlor Surf Shop Hot Rod or Speed Shop or Motorcycle Shop & says he wants you to make him a "sign" as a purely artistic namesake for him... no need to suck in the 50/50 crowd off the interstate... couldn't the bulk of the panel be the embellishments that brought him to you, but fit a shop name in the middle somehow? Just a thought...
Then there's always the other Marks idea... (here we go again with the Marks ) Just follow your own vision. I know if I was the recipient of an all pinstriping panel I'd be honored. (Lettering, what lettering?, haven't you ever heard of "linear braille")
quote:Originally posted by Troy Haas: Example, one of my choices was the "Movie Theatre", I am then assigned that business and I get Bruce in the draw, I then make a "Movie Theatre" themed panel and send it to Bruce....
Is this correct????
Or is Dave correct and as usual I am totally lost???
I think you are right troy, in which case you should make that an Adult Theater (XXX) panel and ship it right off to Bruce..
-------------------- "If I share all my wisdom I won't have any left for myself."
Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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" i do think it is a mistake to forget that their are a lot of pinheads on this board."
Yea, there's also a bunch of pinstripers too..
Seriously, just about every pinstriper I've met over the years was capable of hand lettering. If it's a problem for joey, maybe he could make the sign in 1/24 th scale
-------------------- George Perkins Millington,TN. goatwell@bigriver.net
"I started out with nothing and still have most of it left"
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Now see, here's a panel swap I CoULD make... it has clear rules AnD a deadline, but I don't qualify because I f'd up the last one and HAVEN'T sent my panel to my guy yet!!! (Hang me naked by my toes and whip me with insults!) {Stephen YOU don't get to comment on THAT one! Bud-E}
Well, best of luck with this one. I know that the part that I have participated in So Far with the last one has been a blast... now If I can just GeT OVer my fear of failure, or success...? I can't do either well. No, I can fail, fall on my face, and crack my head open and dislocate my shoulder (Did THAT last week) but I don't do success and compliments well. Well, $$$$$hit- someThing Else to WoRk on!!!
The feeling like Cybil AGAIN side of the Moon.
BACK to the drawing board of mental fricking health.
P.S. Edit= added the's and do's to make the sentences SoUnd right. Hate it when I type too fast and hit "send". doh!
[ August 15, 2003, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: The Moon ]
-------------------- The Moon aka: Stefenie Harris Moonlight Designs Pollock Pines, CA learnin' somethin' new every day! stefenie@comcast.net Posts: 550 | From: Pollock Pines, CA, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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To my way of looking at things, that 6 weeks to make a panel like that, seems like an awfully short time. The idea is fun though.....I'm not sure I could do it that quick...........
-------------------- Jeff Ogden 8727 NE 68 Terr. Gainesville FL, 32609 Posts: 2138 | From: 8827 NE 68 Terr Gainesville Fl 32609 | Registered: Aug 2002
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To many restrictions for me to join in! With all the NO this,and No that. The concept of an open and free society in the town of Letterville,amounts to... Art on demand as Art has its Limits.
I will wait to see the movie
-------------------- PKing is Pat King The Professor of SIGNOLOGY Posts: 3113 | From: Pompano Beach, FL. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Why 5? -------------------------------------------- I already sent my request, of one, now that will really screw things up! ---------------------------------------------
As for too many rules and not enough time...that's a lame excuse and a cop out. I want to make my sign and send it and get one back ASAP. Dragging this out 4 months is stupid.
If you had a customer come in and he wanted his sign in two days...you would find a way.
If a trade show were coming up and you needed a banner for your own booth, you would find a way.
Most of you work BETTER under the pressure of a deadline. Last time, I spent too much time re-designing my panel because I knew I had time. I would rather come up with the first thing that strikes me and get it over with. I don't want to be plagued with "Ah, I should have done this, and I could have done that!"
And I'm glad I took the time to learn to pinstripe AFTER I learned to hand letter so I'm not in the boat you pinheads are, not being able to letter...what's with that? Use the dam plotter to make your letters reverse weed and air brush them for heaven's sake. If you don't have a plotter, Your next door neighbor probably does, so get a stencil from them! You act like your forgot how to use your brains!
I think this will be a great panel swap. Thanks Bruce!
[ August 15, 2003, 09:08 PM: Message edited by: Dave Draper ]
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Geez guys... no one is ever happy are they??
First off, it seemed like people liked the idea of a theme. It would also help people who were late due to having a tough time thinking something up.
This way, YOU pick 5 that sound like something YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE something for (like Troy was thinking). Everyone will get something different. When you get your one done, you will send it to someone else. Simple as that.
Make a sign, cool. Design a logo, cool. Carve a mascot, cool. Print a poster, cool. Hey, if you pinstripe, and can't letter or use vinyl or have something printed, then heck, pick up a model truck from WalMart and stripe/graphic/whatever to represent the business you picked. You can't tell me that there are that many people on this board that NEVER do anything for a commercial customer!!!!
I also said something to Bruce about the short time period - I agree. I personally think that should be adjusted to be a bit longer, but not so long that it's drawn out like last time... people were complaining about that. I think he's just trying to prevent that from happening again. If you can't get something done, then don't say you will do it... kinda like in your shop with your customers.
It was tough on the people that never received their panels, as I am sure that it kinda bugged the folks that did a nice panel for one of the people who didn't do one. It's just keeping things fair. Not pointing fingers, just reality. How often have you had a customer come back to you after you told him you would do a job in the past, but just never did?
The people that want to complain about rules and restrictions, I can't believe it!! I mean, really guys. What do you say to your customers?? I'm sorry sir, but I can't do your sign because you are too restrictive on size/color/design etc etc etc. Get real.
This makes me think of being in sign school. We got an assignment "job" on Monday... for example: Joe's Body Shop, it has to include an oval and it has to be done by Friday. Then we did it as if it were a job.
This swap is like the local town pub, restaurant, doctor, vet... calling you up, saying make me something really cool, you design it how you want, I just need it by such-n-such a date. What's so awful about that?
It has NO size restrictions, NO media restrictions, NO specific name, NO color ideas, nothing... it's completely up to you. Sign, poster, model car, trash can, whatever.
How often do your customers let you do that??
I've learned a long time ago that you will never make all the people happy all the time... there will always be someone who can't wait to complain about something.
I think this is a cool idea. If you don't, than don't choose to do it, but please don't rag on the people who want to and who are trying their best to keep it organized, ok?
[ August 15, 2003, 09:25 PM: Message edited by: Dana Bowers ]
-------------------- Dana Ferry St Cloud, MN Posts: 1556 | From: St Cloud, MN | Registered: May 1999
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Oh Dave... Bruce had originally said to choose 3, it was me that suggested 5.
Why not just choose 1? Because I'm sure that several people will choose the same ones. We're trying to keep this very diversified, with no repeats. Otherwise there would be 20 sign shops, 18 taverns and a sprinkling of other stuff, you see what I mean?
He's gonna take each email he gets, look thru the choices one by one. If it's open, cool, it's yours to do. If not, he'll go to choice #2 and give you that one.
I kinda figured several would be popular, so I thought by asking for 5, it's less likely that he'd have to contact you back to say it's been taken.
And you get to choose something either you enjoy as a hobby, think would make a cool design, you already have a fun tag line or whatever.
-------------------- Dana Ferry St Cloud, MN Posts: 1556 | From: St Cloud, MN | Registered: May 1999
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I think the way Bruce is doing it is the only way it can be done. Too many people took way too long to get theirs done and some didnt even do one. Although this one has rules, they are there to make sure everyone gets something in return for the panel they did. Terry did a great job of organizing the last one, and he had alot of patience with those that took so long to finish. As far as the rule that says those that signed up for the last one and didnt send one in cant participate, thats only fair. People that worked hard on a panel last time ended up getting nothing. Others worked it out between themselves. I think Bruce has it by the tail, and Dana made some really good points. Treat it like a job, and get it done. Then we'll watch the movie.
-------------------- Maker of fine signs and other creative stuff. Located at 109 N. Cumberland ave. Harlan, Ky. 40831 606-837-0242 Posts: 4172 | From: Ages-Brookside, Ky. Up the Holler... | Registered: Jul 1999
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Well for some of us this is the busiest time of year, and I feel like it would be better to do a panel in the slower times, like around Christmas and January.Why try to cram it in to an already hectic schedule?
Just another point of view.
-------------------- Jeff Ogden 8727 NE 68 Terr. Gainesville FL, 32609 Posts: 2138 | From: 8827 NE 68 Terr Gainesville Fl 32609 | Registered: Aug 2002
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I think the rules are fair, although the timing may be a bit tight for myself.
A thought I had when I read about the last swap:
If you do a project and complete it, make a picture and send it by E-mail to Bruce. Bruce will send you the name of the next person to complete a project/send a picture. This way there will only at a maximum be one person who may not get a panel, which could be rectified. This also means that someone who takes too long will have to wait to send it to someone who took even longer.
Does this make sense?
Love the idea and will send in an E-mail in a few days. Got ot put on my thinking cap.
-------------------- "Are we having fun yet?" Peter Schuttinga DZines Sign Studio 1617 Millstream rd Victoria BC V9B-6G4 Posts: 521 | From: Victoria BC | Registered: Mar 2002
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Setting rules and timelines is the only way to get artistic types to get anything done!
If this was a paying job, you'd manage to do it somehow, but since there's no money on the table and based on what happened with the last panel swap, this is the only way to do it! Hey, there are STILL banners floating around out there somewhere, and those projects were already rolling 3 YEARS ago before I joined this site!
I personally won't be participating in this panel swap (didnt get in on the last one either) because I know my time is already spoken for and I wouldnt be able to meet the deadline - boo-hoo!
Sheesh.. if ya wanna do a panel swap with someone just arrange it on your own time by your own schedule.. or trade an Aussie a custom painted license plate for some Cherry Ripes candies like I did.
-------------------- "If I share all my wisdom I won't have any left for myself."
Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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I think its been put together in a really great way, I am very tempted to have a go myself. Freight costs from here are quite high and if I do a panel it (depending on size) might have to go by sea taking 4-6 weeks to arrive, this might also be the case for other International folk.
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And I'm glad I took the time to learn to pinstripe AFTER I learned to hand letter so I'm not in the boat you pinheads are, not being able to letter...what's with that? Use the dam plotter to make your letters reverse weed and air brush them for heaven's sake. If you don't have a plotter, Your next door neighbor probably does, so get a stencil from them! You act like your forgot how to use your brains! Dave Draper
What an arrogant statement!
-------------------- Ryan Young Indocil Art & Design indocil@comporium.net 803-980-6765
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Geeze guys, is there something in the water?
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qoute------ :rolleyes:Im sorry i am going to pass on this one for the sole reason that I am to busy at the shop but i do think it is a mistake to forget that their are a lot of pinheads on this board. ---Ryan Young
And this isn't an arrogant statement?
Can We Say: "LOOOOSER!"
Look in the mirror. Too busy? You don't seem to be too busy to post to say you won't be participating. If you are not participating, so be it, you don't have to rag on Bruce and Dana's efforts to organize this.
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I for one haven't learned to hand letter or pinstripe yet, so I think I will make a point of doing both on this panel! Not saying I'll do it half as well as others would, but like I've always said when I've had my artwork complimented in my life... "I don't necessarilly know how to _____ (paint, carve, gild, stripe, letter, etc.), I just don't stop until it looks good"
Too many rules? cause we gotta give Bruce both phone numbers and addresses? Oh, you mean the theme of shops on the streets of Letterville? Bruce doesn't even claim that idea, but when someone else suggested it there was a lot of interest, so upon some sort of nomination he stepped up & offered some VERY loose guidelines for any who care to participate in a swap on that theme. I don't see it as being all that limiting really.
Not to get too political here, but anarchy has its merits & its flaws. The last swap was near-total anarchy. Some suggestions were made re: personalizing a panel with the local flavor of the sender or the recipient. Many followed this thought. The due-date was set, but often referred to as a no-pressure guideline, not a rule.
Now there is always democracy as another panel-swap leadership tool... nah that would take years to pull off.
Dictatorship has a bad name. I think it is under-rated as a viable method of leadership. We all have seen the drawbacks in the anarchy of the first swap, so having a few rules set out clear & simple means we can start playing by those rues quicker, without a lot of debate.
Or I guess we can debate anyway... but I got approval on my choosen storefront already, so I'm gettin' started.
When the lights go up "On the streets of Letterville" my sign will be in place.
I'll be proud to participate in this international event beyond the level of just typing at youall.
At least people opting-out before they commit instead of after is a step in the right direction, but I hope some of you nay-sayers will change your minds. Especially you Monte. I'm sitting here looking at the awesome panel you sent me, thinking someone is really missing out on a great panel, but more importantly, as in any great piece of art, it is clear in its splendor that you thoroughly enjoyed creating it, and I can't see how you wouldn't have as much enjoyment & creative freedom participating again, even within the confines of a few friendly rules.
Just think, this one starts & finishes so fast... just do it! then we can all get together and debate again real soon about how to do another one!
I think Bruce has set up a situation where the spearheading of a panel swap can become a less stressfull occassion.
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Hey Bruce, I'm in, but just wondered how specific we need to be with "design" - If we pick the business we are interested in and the name we want to use is that sufficient? If we decide to make some changes do you want them run by you first? I wanted to put a bunch of smileys in here but my computer is being stupid! Soooo - This is a Happy Post!
-------------------- “Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again?” -Winnie the Pooh & A.A. Milne
Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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Where are all these rules and "NO this and NO that's"??
Pick a type of business and make a panel. How is that "too many rules"??
If I were leading this one, I would have done something similar to Peter's suggestion to avoid people not completing something they've committed to. But this is Bruce's deal and my hat is off to him for taking this on.
Good luck, Bruce! I think you're the perfect person for the job. I didn't have the heart to "out" all the people that didn't finish the first one. I thought as long as people had promised me they'd finish in all the e-mails we sent back and forth, I could count on them to live up to their word.
BTW, at one point I had said there were around 12 incomplete panels from the first one. In reality, there is 19!
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Nettie, you've planted a seed in my head. I'm gonna mix up a special themed CD for the Dixie Civil War meet
"Forces of evil on a bozo nightmare ban all the music with a phony gas chamber 'cuz one's got a weasel and the other's got a flag one's on the pole, shove the other in a bag with the rerun shows and the cocaine nose-job"
I figure the "Youngster" will know that one, more from the Beatles, Johnny Cash, 3 Doors Down, Black Sabbath and Bob Seegar amoung others.
"Oh, oh, you just can't have it all...........you just can't have it all""
-------------------- George Perkins Millington,TN. goatwell@bigriver.net
"I started out with nothing and still have most of it left"
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What is this? Ya get on my case because I don't letter anything over 1/2" tall? How many of you can do a triple outline on a 3/8" to 1/2" letter in Old English on the drivers door and get a hundred bucks for it?
Pinstriping and designing is my forte' pinstriping is what my lifes work is and I make a darn good living at it. I never needed to do signage, like others who couldn't always make enough just striping or couldn't get the whole picture in life. Reminds me of the shoemaker who worked with leather so well that his friend asked him to make a leather suit, Duhhhhh! Did I miss something?
Try doing real thin designs with a sword striping brush other then a Mack, no quills, no scroll work. Make the lines uniform and make the design as perfect to the eye as it can be, then tell me how many signpainters actually do pinstriping. Try doing real straight lines where both sides can be seen by its owner and excuses no longer used.
I never wanted to be a contractor, a ditch hole digger, or an electrician and I hate permits. When I was very young all I ever wanted to do was pinstripe. Is that so hard to understand. Of course I can design and make shirts, cut patterns, and make tools some of you work from on a daily basis. You think I want to go the same places you do? Eat at the same restaurants, talk the same sh-t? Well I don't and I'd be damned if I did, to the same place half you people are at, trying to figure out which color to use, and probably be doing the same antique sign with the same antique scroll over and over and over and over again in antique hell.
Well, since thats been said, have a nice day
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
"Forces of evil on a bozo nightmare ban all the music with a phony gas chamber 'cuz one's got a weasel and the other's got a flag one's on the pole, shove the other in a bag with the rerun shows and the cocaine nose-job
BECAUSE IM A LOSER BABY WHY DONT YA KILL ME!!!!
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-------------------- Ryan Young Indocil Art & Design indocil@comporium.net 803-980-6765
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