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As you can see, this HDU sign shape has projections on each side which will be weak points for mounting it to posts. What method would you use to mount it with the widely separated post configuration? The narrow one would be easier but I don't think it looks too hot. I would rather see this sign mounted to a brick or stone backdrop of some kind. Any other post suggestions would be welcomed and, while it's on here, any design critique is welcome too.
[ August 11, 2003, 07:04 PM: Message edited by: Wayne Webb ]
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Try it again, Wayne. This schtuff is my specialty.
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Ha! I had posted it from the image preview and it only stayed temporarily. It should stay now. This image host is "Photo Village". Best one I've used so far.
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A couple of questions. Its single sided, right? And it IS backed with something?
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It should definitely be backed with MDO or exterior 5/8ths (minimum) plywood. Take two pieces of 1.5" angle aluminum that reach from top to bottom of the part of the sign to be attatched to the post. Drill a 1/4" hole in the angle part to be attatched to the sign every 6". Drill 4 1/4" holes in the side to be attatched to the post. Use short lags in the sign, just long enough to go through the backing and maybe 1/2" into the HDU. Use 2" lags to go into the post. That's as strong as you'll need to mount the sign. If you have NO backing on the HDU. Do it NOW.
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In case it isn't apparent, the angles run vertically INside between the posts.
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Hey Wayne. How big is this thing? Again, single or double sided?
I don't mind the close spacing of the posts so much. I think it helps to show off the uniqueness of the shape.
Pierre, what is your primary reasoning for backing the entire sign with MDO? Is it for stiffness, strength, durability, or a combination thereof? I agree that HDU should be reinforced, I'm just curious about other folks' methods and logic.
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Jonathan, It's single sided. So you think it looks better with the closely spaced posts? The sign is 45''x48''.
If I space them so that they're behind the main part of the sign, I might just glue/screw two 3.5'' wide vertical backer boards on and lagscrew the posts directly to that.
I'm not sure what would look best though.
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Johnathon, ANYone's HDU will, with a quick, sharp blow, crack if not fully supported. Guaranteed. The second eventuality can be warping. NOT backing a freestanding panel is a recipe for eventual disaster. Wayne, IMHO, you're making a mistake. Good luck with your sign. The layout looks good.
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gotta agree with Pierre---back it for strength---especially in Hurricane season!
I'd cross brace between the 2 posts, boxing the framerwork----I prefer the wider spaced post layout---then back the sign with a good aluminum blank or some MDO for strength.
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Hey Pierre, I'm still open to suggestion here. If I space the posts wide, they will be attached at those narrow "ears" at the side. This will provide the wind with too much leverage to torque the sign at those narrow attachments.
Don't take this the wrong way but, plywood won't last very long down here in the coastal plain of the Gulf of Mexico. The humidity and heat are so high, Western red cedar signs rot here. If i back with anything it will be steel or aluminum. Preferably aluminum
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Wayne, it doesn't matter where you are. If the backing is properly sealed you'll never have a problem. I'm not allowed to discuss the sealing method here because I'm no longer a Merchant, but if you're truly interested, go to my website and read about it. If you'd like a phone call, let me know. As for torqueing, with the proper backing and the angle aluminum mounting brackets you'll have no problem whatsoever.
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Thanks Pierre, I was unable to access your products page yesterday. I could open the site but that page just wouldn't open. I have been having trouble with alot pages opening the last few days and am running a virus/spyware scan right now to see what's wrong.
The product looks very interesting and I would like to try it sometime. This time I will probably make a steel or aluminum frame which will be lagscrewed to the HDU backerboards amd to the posts. I had a sign with only two vertical HDU backerboards lag screwed directly to the posts which was hit by a bulldozer and it snapped off the posts, broke the sign in half, leaving one half still connected to a post and the ohter half the lag screws were wrenched out. The backerboards, attached with screws and Gorilla Glue, didn't come loose at all. Almost like welded on.
Thanks for the ideas. I just wondered if there were any simpler ways which others use.
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