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I am in the process of putting vinyl flames on a guy's truck. I washed it and there were some bugs still on it and some grease etc. so I put application fluid on it. The gloss of his paint job is dulling. There is dark (looks like dirty water) running off the truck. What have I done? The paint looks fine but it is dull now. Have I done something to his truck or is the gloss all in a wax job or something he has put on this truck. He is a used car salemen so who knows what he has put on this truck. Please help! Should I discontinue with the job? Should I continue and then wax the hood when I am finished?
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Curtis, all I did was use Roger's Rapidtac 1 (the original)on a soft paper towel. That is what I use on all the vehicles I do. I have never had this problem. Then I used the same thing to apply the decal and that is when the fluid was black like it was dirty. I think I could take my fingernail and scratch this stuff off. It really looks like a floor that has been waxed for years using the liquid wax and the floor wasn't cleaned before it was waxed.
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Don't you use wax & grease remover before you put the vinyl on? rapid prep or prepsolv or summat Did you do this in the bright sun when the vehicle was hot? A number of things could be contributing factors. I think you just removed some of the wax and if you sprayed so it ran that would indicate your runs of the same dull areas. my 2 cents.
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What it sounds like is the car dealer or if the truck was a trade in the owner use a paint reconditioner. Usally something similer to rain-x ro the sorts. This stuff puts a film on the old paint to make it look new and what you did was clean it off. which you have to do getthe vinyl to stick. If it was me I would call the dealer and ask what paint reconditioner did he use or wax.. I have seen alot of dealer do this as it alot cheaper wipe the vehicle down as to buff the vehicle out with Maguires. It looks good on the lot then your on your own once it leaves the lot. Is an old Used dealers trick.. Good luck
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I am a happy person again. Oh by the way, I use rapid remove for the prep. I forgot to mention that. I am going to finish the job and then call the guy to see what he used. I'll put it back on before I return the car. I figured it was something to make it look good. Man, it sure scared me to death. Thanks for telling me about the paint condtioners.
-------------------- Cynthia Pack 246 Diamondview Loop Galax, Va. 24333 Posts: 659 | From: Galax, Virginia USA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Cynthia, good news is, Rapid Tac won't do anything detrimental to the paint job (unless its water paints).
Bad news is, DO NOT use Rapid Remover as a "prep", its much to expencive and it (when left on the substrate more then 2 minutes) can "check" the surfase !!
Rapid Prep is cheaper, easier to use for a prep wash, intended for the purpose !
Did you get my samples? did you read all that stuff? Just checkin.
Roger
-------------------- Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated 186 Combs Dr. Merlin Oregon 97532 Posts: 3020 | From: Merlin Oregon | Registered: Dec 1998
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what year is this truck? is it a REPAINT? you are not responsible for any damage....if this "used car salesman" is tryin to pull some..."you messed it up now you gota pay for the repaint" crap! dont let him get to ya. ive had em bring truck to my place, and the transfer tape pulles their new paint off!!! not my problem...take it back to the guy who painted it!!!! after you get the flames on it....try a small spot, and spray some WD-40 ON IT see if it brings back the shine. or try some PLEDGE on a small spot....if it shines do the rest of what went dull....he wants to do cheap tricks...so can you.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Repaints, reconditioners and what have you haven't anything to do with how any vehicle is supposed to be prepped in order to do your job. Most of the replies have been excuses used regularly from persons who have learned to make excuses. Bottom line is using the correct materials for the job. Asking its owner what wax or solution they used on their vehicles is like asking them to no longer give you work.
Rapid-Prep is the correct prep solvent of today, its made for paint and vinyl preperation. Of course you can use automotive prep solvents which contain harsh solvents bad for your hands and can leave an oily residue behind. Learning to use the proper materials is all part of the professional aspect of the craft you have chosen.
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
Hope your doing ok, we have been very,very busy up here( gettin our stuff together for winter)lots a projects for us, not having gone thru one of these winters before. I'll talk at you soon.
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quote:Bad news is, DO NOT use Rapid Remover as a "prep", its much to expencive and it (when left on the substrate more then 2 minutes) can "check" the surfase !!
Care to elaborate on the quote???
I use all three of your products and haven't run into a problem YET.
What can I look forward to with Rapid Remover???
And WHY this sudden suggestion that Rapid Remover can "check" the surface???
I don't use Rapid Remover as a prep solution but I have been known to leave it on a surface for a couple of minutes when using it for it's advertised use.
Not complaining here Roger..just wondering what problems I might be liable for??????
Serious question.
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I know that rapid remove is usually not used as a prep but it is great for removing tar and bugs. I use it on a regular bases on our own cars when we wash them. We also use it on our drag car to get the rubber and such from the bleach box. I have never run into anything like this. My husbands saya it is wax build up. When it is wet it looks almost like there is a white film on it. I am going out to work on it now but after what Roger said about it can check the paint if it is on for 2 minutes, I am going to throw this stuff out and never use it on anything. What if I used it to remove decals on this truck? Isn't that the proper use for this product? That would be on the paint surface so why can't you use it as a prep to get all the gummy stuff off? Roger, sorry but after thinking about this truck, I will no longer have Rapid Remove in my shop.
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Well, I guess I am going to owe this guy either a buff or paint job. I just found out after I told him not to have the truck waxed, he had it buffed. Well, I opened the passenger side door and there are hugh goobs of wax inside the door. Anyway I have used rubbing compound on it and then waxed and it look much better. The only way to get a shine the way it has is to buff it. Don't know if the decals will stay on but the shine will be back. I will never use Rapid Remove again nor will I put decals on a used car salesman vehicle. I guess I just learned a valuable lesson and maybe an expensive lesson.
-------------------- Cynthia Pack 246 Diamondview Loop Galax, Va. 24333 Posts: 659 | From: Galax, Virginia USA | Registered: Mar 2001
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You don't owe this guy jack and frankly I wish I could afford to waste the time you've already wasted on this fiasco.
He hired you to put flames on what is obviously a POS, not to do a complete restore job on what sounds to be an unmaintained paint job. If you found a stone chip, would you have the truck repainted for him too? You told him not to wax it so he buffs it. Did you look at this vehicle before you told him you would do the job? If there were hugh rust spots too, would you prep & paint them before putting on the stripes? I sure hope you're charging for all this BS time wasted by a used car salesman's tactics.
You wanna throw out Rapid Remover cause you can't read & comprehend the directions for it's use?
First, go open your kitchen cupboards & throw out all the chemicals in there because someone might drink them & that is harmful. What? You aren't suppost to drink them? Hmm... You aren't suppost to let Rapid Remover sit on for more than 2 minutes either. What's the difference?
-------------------- Chris Welker Wildfire Signs Indiana, Pa Posts: 4254 | From: Indiana, PA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Hey, Chris. I know what you are saying but I didn't even leave it on two minutes. I guess I am just crazy, but I feel so bad about this shine. If he has it buffed I know it will be fine. I am afraid the guy that buffs it will take the vinyl off. I know for sure it is just the wax because when I did the rubbing compound the dirt that came off was something else. I think this guy has his truck buffed with wax but never cleaned good before its waxed. I am just afraid to use rapid remove on decals on vehicles again. It will be used on vinyl removal on signs only never a car. This has just upset me so much. Maybe I am just too upset about nothing. We are in a small town and this could really hurt our business.
-------------------- Cynthia Pack 246 Diamondview Loop Galax, Va. 24333 Posts: 659 | From: Galax, Virginia USA | Registered: Mar 2001
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First of all, thanks Chris!! Next, Dave, the product(RAPID REMOVER) was never intended to be a "prep solvent", its use is indicated on the label and its limits are covered as well. The removal of adhesive residue with Rapid Remover is "quick and easy" as designed, and shouldn't require the product being on the substrate more then 2 minutes(120 seconds). We determined that by testing on a number of substrates(and paint finishes) we actually had good results up to 4-5 minutes, but for safety sake(liability purposes)we scaled the time factor back by 1/2, the job gets done in the prescribed amount of time.
If someone is using the Remover as a prep, then it would likely be left on longer then we prescribe, and could (depending on quality of paint)cause checking. There are lots of paint jobs that are not up to the quality of "factory" and we even tested using common types of airesol brands from the hardware stores. Cynthia if you choose to "throw out" this valuable tool of the trade, well thats your decision, but had you used the product for its intended use after reading instructions, then you wouldn't be wondering what you did, thats fact!!
If anyone decides to use a product outside its indicated "area of use" then they are to blame for any problems that arise, sure lots of people(includeing myself)do that with some frequency but, you must not experiment on customers vehicles, know what you are doing before you do it would be my best advise !!
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-------------------- Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated 186 Combs Dr. Merlin Oregon 97532 Posts: 3020 | From: Merlin Oregon | Registered: Dec 1998
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Chris...I agree with you, Cynthia doesn't owe the guy anything other than the flame job she contracted to do and maybe a quick wax job on the hood that she can do herself.
Cynthia, I have applied graphics to a couple of used highway tractors this year and the owner has then had a company come in and "buff" the trucks after that. This order of work was recommended by the "Buffing" company and it worked out great! No lifting of the graphics at all.
I asked Roger about this "checking" business because I use Remover almost weekly in removing adhesive from trucks. If there is a lot of adhesive to remove I will spray it all, working my way around the truck and then start scraping at the point I started spraying. By the time I get around the whole truck, Remover might have been on the surface for up to 4 minutes or so. Never had a problem, and I WON'T throw out or discontinue using the product. I just wondered, under what circumstances might this "checking" occur.
It MUST have happened to someone in the past, for Roger to mention it, and I'd like to know what caused it to occur so that I can avoid creating a potentially expensive problem for a customer.
You see, I announce to ALL customers who request that I remove old lettering..."NO GUARANTEES AT ALL!!!!"
All I guarantee is the new lettering I install.
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Dave, to be more precise about your question; somewhere between 8-10 minutes(on a poor quality re-finish) we noticed some checking/crazing.
We went to a wrecking yard several times with different formulations before being satasfied with what we call "real street tests" these are in addition to lots of shop testing at our facility.
You havn't had any problems because we determined 4-5 minutes is safe, but now you understand why we say 1-2 minutes, right? He he he hehe he.
Thanks Dave !
Roger
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Ive used Rapid Remover on all kinds of trucks cars and trailers. Also, Had to remove vinyl from my own trailer several times. Literally soaked the surface and let it set while scraping of the old adhesive. No problems ever..And I surely wouldn't throw away a great tool over a mistake.
CPACK.....
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Lets back up here! You used Rapid Remover/Prep to remove all the pollution and,gums,grease! This is not Rogers fault if not used in the manner it is to be used.
Dulled the finish.. Yes it will!
But even if you had used Varsol it would have done the same. Next step is to wipe with Iso Acl. Next wash with water and let dry. You now have a surface for the FLAME Vinyl to apply too.
Next step is for the customer to Build the wax back up to protect it..
Hand Waxing and not Machince buffed, as it is new product that needs time cure.
Any surface the is not manufactured paint or back yard painting is not your problem.
Please know the steps before taking on the project.
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Hey Roger. I think Rapid Remover is a wonderful product BUT I am just afraid of it now. Like I said earlier, I am going to use it but not on vehicles. I have looked at the truck closer now and it is not a factory paint job on the hood. I guess I just over reacted and should have kept my thoughts to myself. I was just in need of some help on this problem and I always use Rapid Remove before now without a single problem. I hope I haven't done anything but let everyone know that if this should happen to them not to panick. I have removed lots of vinyl and residue from vinyl with Raid Remover and not one have I had this problem. So Roger, I am not saying it is not a good product but this has scared me so much, I don't think I will use it on vehicles. This is my problem because this has really upset me. I am not telling anyone else not to use it on vehicles but just realize this can happen. I have gotten very good ideas on how to fix this problem and now if it happens to them they will know what to do. Sorry Roger if this upset you but at least I can fix my problem.
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Thanks Cynthia for stating that, I agree with you,you did panic, I would guess(from how you described the problem with truck) that the paint(even though probably a cheap refinish)was not really damaged by what you did.
When working on other peoples vehicles we must have enough experience to detect poor, fresh, etc., type paint jobs, most vehicle owners don't even know what they have, its up to us to know or find out.
If you suspect a "re-paint" check with owner for paint shop number, to find out about the type and age of the paint,this will keep you from making big mistakes.
In regard to using any chemical on any painted surfase; make sure it is "cured", and of a quality that will withstand the chemical you use.
Wax is cheap and easy to replace !!
Roger
-------------------- Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated 186 Combs Dr. Merlin Oregon 97532 Posts: 3020 | From: Merlin Oregon | Registered: Dec 1998
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iam really gona step out on a limb here. this post is what happens when...you are doing a job and have no EXPERIANCE! plain and simple. since the computer letters came into being you got tons of people in this business who in my opinion should be flippin burgers at mickey d's. every body wants to make the FAST BUCK, all the cutter manafactures, softwear makers MAKE A POINT OF ..YOU DONT NEED ANY EXPERIANCE, you can be up and in business in a couple hours. well iam defending rogers product, IT AINT HIS PRODUCT THAT FAILED!!!! its the people who have no concept of the problems and pitfalls you can run into in this line of work. every job has its its own little quirk. if you havent run into it yet....YOU WILL!!!! without some automotive paint education/experiance/knowledge YOU WILL SCREW something up!!! cuttin vinyl and stickin it to corplast is easy, and if thats all your knowledge is then be safe with that. doing vehicle/boats/trucks that cost way more then the work your doing....unless you have brand new pieces, can and do make this work, something that takes experiance. i had a guy bring me a tree service truck, with vinyl on the doors. 1st thing i told him, if the paint lifts when i take off the old vinyl, it anit my fault, he agreed. i took off lettering and the paint came of with it!!! i called him and told what the problem was. he asked if i can repaint the doors? why sure i can no problem, and that will add another $150 to your bill!!! he said do it! since ive done autobody work, it was a couple hours, of work and more money in my pocket. best thing i can tell anyone....IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING.........DONT TRY IT!!!!!! as for givin the guy a new paint job...sure go ahead, next time he needs a paint job on some piece of crap he WILL BRING IT TO YOU...for something!!!! if you aint sure the vinyl you put on aint gona stick, give him the job, tell him take his truck and wish him luck!!!!
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Is it fair to say, these little snafoos we chalk up are "experience?" It's like getting our 'edgejukashun' through the back door! (where's my dickshunary?)
I've been through the school of hard knocks, cleaning and removing adhesive from painted surfaces... Arrrg! Don't even ask me about the time I used a heat gun! LOL
I always test an inconspicuous surface area before using any products...
Another thing, right or wrong, it's a part of selling myself (ooops, I mean my work) to advise a potential client of any problems we may encounter... (experience = $$$)
Call me lazy, but the fastest and easiest is the route I take... (could someone please pass me that tube of elbow grease...)
Cher.
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OK, nobody mentioned this yet, so I'm just gonna throw it in.
To start with, I don't think the Rapid Remover had anything to do with it, even though that is not what it was intended for.
I have encountered this same problem before using Rapid Prep or Rubbing Alcohol(before I found Rapid Prep).
Used car lots are notorious for using the color matched waxes, to hide scratches and dull finishes. A good quality wax will remove the oxidation, and smooth the paint. The color matched waxes simply smooth it over to achieve a shine. When you remove this stuff, it runs off like colored water, and leaves the oxidized paint showing.
If this is the case your customer would be better off to have the truck buffed BEFORE you apply the flames. If you apply vinyl to an oxidized paint, you are really taking a chance on soiling your reputation. Buffing compound does not contain wax, and the residue can be washed off before applying vinyl.
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i ruined the paint on a 18x24 with my belt sander. gues i will have to throw it away.
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Ok everyone, I have been kicked around enough. This is only the 57th vehicle I have done in the last 4 years. I do not know everything and I don't have the experience that most of you have. This was something I have never seen before and I have asked Roger for a supplier because the two ones I use do not have Rapid Prep. I have tried to get it before but I haven't had any luck. Believe me I will use that if I can get it. Roger says he is going to send me samples and I very much am looking forward to getting them. This has taught me a very good lesson on asking more question before I accept a job. My husband said from the start he was worried about us doing this job but I thought he was just being silly. Besides being a used car salesman, he is a preacher. My husband said he had a car to be flooded at the local track and had the track turn it in on their insurance. If I would have known that, I wouldn't have taken the job. I was wrong in what I did, but I needed help and Letterville is where I came. I didn't mean to start a STOMP ON CIS DAY. I do thank all of you who tried to help and the stompers for putting me in my stupid place. I only wish I could blame it on being blonde.
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Cynthia, don't feel too bad, the truth be known, your experience with this truck and using my product probably taught several people a lesson here.
What ever we can think of, right or wrong has already been trid by someone else. He he he he
Now, I thought we sent you samples but, we will send a box out tomorrow anyway.
Roger
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They are just busting your... ah.... poking fun. Imagine what it would be like if we didn't like you... LOL!
Don't sweat it, Kiddo.......
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For what it's worth, every adhesive remover I've used has "checked" crappy paint finishes, and even the "hard as nails" factory kawasaki single stage polyurethane paint on my jetski.. Goo Gone, Goof Off, all the 3M removers (they have a few different ones)
Roger's product is the only commercially available remover (not including homebrews like wd-40, acetone, gasoline, or denatured alcohol.. which all work by the way, just not on all adhesives) that *didn't* pick up any color from my jetski, because it's the *only* one that has never had to have been in contact with the adhesive more than 30 seconds to wipe it out.
Around here you *have* to have the adhesive remover wiped up in a short time (within a minute) cause if you dont, it's so arid the stuff just evaporates and leaves the goo behind.
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Don't be so hard on yourself, as it is just knowledge everyone is giving. You are tough, just being in the sign biz. Take the advice, cut your losses and move forward. You would be surprised how many screwups a lot of us do that just don't post. At least me since I already bore a lot of letterville to death with my other ramblings!
I learned a long time ago, that criticism is a tool, not to be used to judge a person. Gee, when I was young, my dad told me how "perfect" his little princess was, what a mistake. It was hell growing up, that's for sure. Then there "were" times that he did give me a lot of constructive criticism too, but it was gruff. It was a hard way to go, but, I guess I liked to get my hands on projects that girls usually don't like. Ohhh I hated the strict criticism, since the "little princess' ego was blasted. But, it has been the school of hard knocks and I am still hearing him now, as I understand what it is all about.
...now we are learning about the habits of the used car salesmen and ourselves, plus products all in one shot here, right? It's tough, and there are a few others on this board learning from your mistake, possibly, too. Don't think this will be a repeat, at least.
One time I bought some rapid remover on a great sale for a buck! It was a gallon. Well, I let it sit in my garage for six months, and forgot it was "remover"! I used it as rapid tac, and then got p'd off since my letters were wrinkling up, along with the paint underneath. Go figure, I thought about it and decided to take a better look, to see that I didn't read the label. Lol, Luckily, it was an inexpensive job to correct, and I did it over.
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Cynthia, It sounds like, although some one said they waxed or buffed it, I smaell something fishy here. Is it just me, or does this sound like a case of oxidization of the paint? I know when I do a good cleaning of oxidized paint, two thing are gonna happen...
1: The paint is gonna change in appearance. Usually it looks darker and loses the gloss. 2: Just about the only way to make the truck look right again is to use a polishing compound and buff ou the rest of the oxidization.
Ok, tell me how far off base this is... Regardless of what cleaner she used, it got cleaner and that's why it discolored.
shooting from the hip here... Rapid
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Cynthia, you've learned something through this experience as well as many others. I'll bet you wish, like I do, that we could know it all, right from the beginning of our careers. Wouldn't that be nice. Lucky Joe.
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Cynthia - I just thought that maybe you'd enjoy a story about what happened to me. Check out my post on Smurfs and stupid moves
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yep dave....one think i lernt...CYA(cover your a s s)if you dont, some one will find a way to take advantage of ya!!!!! and thats what i think this used car salesman/preacher was doin. i agree with bob burn...TREAT THE CUSTOMER LIKE HES IS YOUR ENEMY!!!!!! to many out there lookin for something for nothing. and i lernt it the hard way....
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I thought I'd catch everyone up on this post. The guy picked the truck up and was thrilled with it. The only place there was a problem was where it had just been buffed. The back and the other side were fine. The hood and passenger side is going to be buffed after the vinyl is set. He was not upset and I even showed him what had happened. I guess everything worked out great after all.
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I thought I'd catch everyone up on this post. The guy picked the truck up and was thrilled with it. The only place there was a problem was where it had just been buffed. The back and the other side were fine. The hood and passenger side is going to be buffed after the vinyl is set. He was not upset and I even showed him what had happened. I guess everything worked out great after all.
-------------------- Cynthia Pack 246 Diamondview Loop Galax, Va. 24333 Posts: 659 | From: Galax, Virginia USA | Registered: Mar 2001
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