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Pat are you referring to 60 minutes story where they say all the old masters drew or were able to draw lifelike figures because they used mirrors?
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i saw the thing about the masters using "lenses" to project and trace.....i think thats what he was referrin to..cause most of the people in the painting are using their left hands.....
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Thank you Alf, that was very enlightning. I found myself at the Metropolitan Art Museum wondering the same things. The old masterpieces are just too perfect....
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I quess my link was a little confusing. The 60 min story was about how artist used technology of thier time known as "camera obscura" to accurately reproduce objects known to us today as great works of art. Within the link I put up,you will have to go to 60 min.section and read "did they do it with mirrors" Sorry about the mislead. Seems like nothing has changed with the public from then to now. Same questions like Did you go to school for that? Do you do that FREEHAND? I have a nephew....... "yada yada yada" Then when they see HOW it is done. We are accused of CHEATING like it was a TEST or something. A test I might add,made up my people without artistic talent of thier own! No wonder the techniques we use are keept secret.
Gotta love John Q. Public
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Thanks for the link Pat (and Alf)! That is pretty cool to think about.
As the article states though, simply having another tool in the arsenel by no means trivializes the work. I mean, we have much better technology now, but you still have artists that far surpass their lesser skilled peers.
I wasnt around back then, but if i had been, and been offered a technique to pretty much cut my development time to nothing and give me the ability to get a higher quality.. you can bet that I would give it a shot. And once you do a few paintings with a different method, you get the hang of 'seeing' what you are painting differently and it effects your style a bit.
Getting a bit better realism is nothing compared to the actual design and layout skill of the master's work back then.
What gets me about some of the old paintings, I absolutely love the yellowed look they put in everything... ack .. only to find out that is age and dirt making it look so cool. Cleaned, they are not near as beautiful to me.
Again, though... thanks pat.
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Sure, artists have always used the tools of the trade for production. The fact is, plenty of artists back then and now, can draw the human figure, or anything else for that matter, quite accurately from viewing a live model.
Just because Norman or DaVinci or any of those other cats used photos or mirrors or whatever, to get what they were after in a pinch, doesn't mean they couldn't sit down & draw a remarkable sketch of a live model at any given moment.
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i could use an overhead projector and trace something but i could never get a coke can to look like a photo taken with the droplets of water on it
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If you want to see a great example of how to draw people without having a model sitting for you, head for the book store and look for "Dynamic Anatomy" or anything by Burne Hogarth.
Hogarth was the "Tarzan" artist in the days when newspapers had all the comics. It's a great way to learn how to draw people and how movement and perspective relate to illustration.
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