I've been using quite a bit of neschen materials lately.. a local sign/graphics shop is a distributor for neschen so since they are required to order a certain amount of material every month to maintain their distributorship, it's convenient to get it from them otherwise I gotta have everything shipped in.
Anyway.. it seems like OK stuff. They have almost every color Avery or Universal offers, many of them exact matches. They cut and weed nicely. I haven't had any problems with the material, and no calls about it failing prematurely.
I like it. There's no cost difference between neschen and avery so it's not like my words are money-driven. I can actually get Avery a little cheaper but convenience and the ability to expedite jobs quicker means I'll go with Neschen.
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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I have used alot of the Neschen vinyls when Sparcal went belly up... Especially the Vibrant Green as no one made that color.. Never Had a problem with it.. "Yet"
-------------------- Chuck Gallagher Pro Graphics Signs by Design Cabool, MO 417.962.3291 "I grew up in Letterville" Posts: 776 | From: Cabool, Mo. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Mike, from what I know , Neschen is a converter or Avery vinyl.. one of the local suppliers was selling avery when it was pulled from them, because of a larger supplier picking up Avery, they took Avery away from the smaller guys.. the supplier explained that Neschen converted Avery Roll Stock..
I could be wrong, but thats what i was told...
-------------------- Del Badry philmdesign Sylvan Lake, Alberta Posts: 636 | From: Sylvan Lake, Alberta | Registered: Nov 1998
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Avery prints their logo on all their liners, not to say they couldnt manufacture material for other companies to repackage, but I have noticed some differences..
1. Not all the colors are the same
2. Avery film has a more aggressive adhesive, they call it "permanent" instead of repositionable
from what I understand Avery converts all their materials at the factory. I can call Avery direct and get whatever width and color I need.
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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i think neschen vinyls are made in germany.
-------------------- Jimmy Chatham Chatham Signs 468 stark st Commerce, Ga 30529 Posts: 1766 | From: Commerce, GA, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I was just informed of the Neschen Story by one of my suppliers... When Avery bought out SparCal/Universal, Neschen picked up about 20 former Universal employees and started in the vinyl business here in the US. Supposedly, most, if not all of their product is manufactured here in the USA. A lot of Neschen's colors are an exact match Universal's vinyls. Neschen has over 100 years of experience in the adhesive business in Europe.
Havin' fun,
Checkers
-------------------- a.k.a. Brian Born www.CheckersCustom.com Harrisburg, Pa Work Smart, Play Hard Posts: 3775 | From: Harrisburg, Pa. U.S.A. | Registered: Nov 1998
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My experience has been that Neschen is crap. I would put it last in line in our shop. The adhesive has a real "gumminess" to eat, resulting in alot of shrinkage. Try using a dark color and give it 6 months in the sun. I'll take Oracal over it anyday.
-------------------- Bruce Evans Crown Graphics Chino, CA graphics@westcoach.net Posts: 913 | From: Chino, CA | Registered: Nov 1998
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It's kind of interesting having a German company make vinyl in the US, while american companies are moving production to asia. How do you support the hometown guys? Who are the hometown guys?
ON the subject of vinyl: I would like to know how people evaluate vinyl adhesive.
Diane handles most of the vinyl work so my technique is poor compared to hers. I like a thicker harder vinyl without much initial tack. I think this is easier to work with. Do these vinyls really have a worse performance outside? I suppose they have more shrinkage. I have been buying gerber quantum 4000 for decals it seems good to work with.
Diane likes the cast Avery vinyl that drives me crazy, it grabs the surface and doesn't want to let go causing bubble hell. When I try wet application it gets a lot worse.
Beyond price how do you select a vinyl?
ernie
-------------------- Ernie Balch Balch Signs 1045 Raymond Rd Malta, NY 518-885-9899 Posts: 405 | From: Malta, NY | Registered: Jan 2003
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Well... I love that Avery "instant bond".. I can use wet apps and it still grabs on quick.
I DON'T like 3M films.. I'm sure it's great for signs and conforming to tough shapes and rivets, but it's too soft and the adhesive is weak.. it rips easily even after application which isn't good in my main line of work - jetski graphics - cause they get beat up. Avery deffinitely holds up better here.
Neschen doesn't have that wicked adhesive that I like about Avery, but the material itsself seems about the same toughness. Either way, on a jetski it's gonna get thrashed before it's regular outdoor life.
I used to use a lot of the Enduragloss film from Sign Warehouse. It's real tough stuff... but now signwarehouse went from 15" rolls to 12" rolls so it's useless to me - I'm limited enough as it is with a 15" cutter! PLus I have to wait 4 days for it to be shipped in, while my Avery supplier has it in my hands the next day with regular ground shipping costs.
I've used a little Oracal but not on anything that matters so I couldnt tell you how it holds up.
I use mostly Avery on stuff that needs to hang on tight.
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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On awnings, especially large overlays, I prefer Neschen translucent over anything else. It lays better and easier, with fewer bubbles than 3M translucent, and is less prone to tearing. The top surface seems 'soapier,' so dragging a squeegee is easier and less likely to mar. It's initial tack is slower, but on a 4'x110' overlay, that's a good thing.
-------------------- Brad Ferguson See More Signs 7931 Wornall Rd Kansas City, MO 64111 signbrad@yahoo.com 816-739-7316 Posts: 1230 | From: Kansas City, MO, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I can actually get Avery a little cheaper but convenience and the ability to expedite jobs quicker means I'll go with Neschen.
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