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Yes, Jeremy, AA really does say those things. Some people wear their sobriety like a crown. Some people keep it to themselves.
Next time I am in the Cities, I will give you a call. You can bring the flying squirrels out...
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Definitely look me up, We also have a chipmunk living in our bedroom (usually, but not always, in a cage) along with all the flying squirrels downstairs. I don't think I will be bringing them to Tomahawk, however. Keeping this on topic, I have ADD big time and I'm sure it is why I gravitated towards this field. I never was into art as a kid, but something about sign painting made the light bulb go off over my head.
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jeremy, i dont know what or where you have been with AA, BUT its like anything else, if you arent involved and are getting information from dissatisfied people, and you belive "hear say" then thats what it is. as for what bruce says...thats his opinion. ive heard the same type of stuff about MASONS.most of that is simply IGNORANCE. AA....IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT TO BE!!!! take as much as you need and can use then get on with your life. if you feel the need to go for the rest of your life, so be it. if you can "maintane sobrity and healty lifestyle" without AA/NA good for you. the great thing about AA/NA is it helps an ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY to become aware of their limitation...and what they can do to improve them selves. AND IT IS FREE above all. so their is no chance that if you go to a meeting, that you will ever hear what you want to hear....as you would if youre paying a shrink. also it helps keep you drug(scrip or self prescribed)FREE. if you have ever been hooked on scrips(i was) that the doctors told me i needed to keep me calm so i didnt hurt anyone.....then you will understand why i talk the way i do about doctors/psycotic drugs. i speak from experiance and not what i have been told!!! remember this.."belive half of what you see...and none of what you hear." this will help a lot. as for someone calling you "dry drunk", i dont know you personally, have never had any conversations with you. i know a lot of dry drunks, my definition of that is a guy who goes to meetings and will tell you hes been c/s for 450 day, 17 hours and 12 min!!!! and he is just lookin for a reason to go drink again. also most dry drunks i know have a really bad problem with "control over others" and an inflated opinion of their own "self worth", egomania, prone to anger quickly if called on something they said, or just to assert their control, they dont have relationships, they take hostages. there are a few of them here(some are still drinking/smokin (thats an addiction also)..no i wont give names they know who they are, but if they are ever in an AA/NA meeting iam in, then I WILL call em on their B.S behavior. HONESTY abounds in a meeting, so if you go in their like your superman and "weller" then anyone, someone will point that out, and then you need to deal with it. will also help you to be able to take "responibilty" for your actions! also you meet some great people there, and true friends for life. also AA/NA will keep you humble, as it reminds us(who have a lot of years)that we are no better then the guy who is their for his 1st meeting....because we were, and can be in that same chair tomarrow....and always... what goes on in a meeting stays there!!!!and live it.... one day at a time.
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Oh, Joe... why the personal attacks here? Why do you often take things to such a personal level? Someone dares to have actual knowledge of something that differs from yours and it is insinuations and back biting...
You are right, Joe. No one at AA ever said that stuff. Nope. No one. Ever. It's all just like you said. You are the most enlighted one of us all. We're not worthy.
Are you saying that only you have a working knowledge of NA/AA meetings? Pull your enlighted head out of your ass.
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OK you guys...calm down! Life's too short for personal attacks. When you belittle...then you be little. I was diagnosed w/ADHD-primarily inatentive several years back. But I've come to the same conclusion that many others have. It's really not a 'disability', but a 'different ability'. Personal responsibility maybe unfasionable in our culture today, but it's still the right thing to do. Having ADD/ADHD is NOT an excuse for bad behavior...we all have the power of choice...and we're all going to be held accountable for our choices. I'm with Kissy on this one...I wouldn't change the way I'm wired to be considered more 'normal'. God made me and He can transform my weaknesses into blessings (with my willingness involved) and make them useful if He sees it neccessary. I also have my opinions about how we nourish ourselves and a connection with ADD/ADHD...but that's another (and maybe a contraversial)post... -Nancie
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personal attack? where....the only thing i said in response to your post was.... 'that was your opinion. and you are welcome to that." as i said i have heard from people who are not a mason, tell me all the wild stories about what they heard masons do. very similar to the stuff jeromey heard about AA/NA. as for the use of the word IGNORANCE, i was refering to the people who belive the crap they hear about things they dont know anything about,ex. MASONS, AA/NA, ODD FELLOWS, ECT. anything else in the post was not directed AT you. now if you have taken anything else in that post personal, then you ......DO HAVE A PROBLEM. all was typed as "general information" to jeromeys question. as for my working knowledge of AA/NA, yea id say i got a lot more then most, 28 years since i was introduced to AA/NA. have been active in on one way or another, and as i said, in all my years , i have never heard that stuff in a meeting or from an active/happy participant of AA/NA, that jeromey said. YES i have heard that stuff from people who went back to drinking. as for you and AA/NA i dont know what you have done with it. when i saw you in commerace ga. you were drinking beer.......and thats not something you do if your in AA. now thats personal observation.....if you have a drinking problem iam not aware of it and never was, and if you do then you might try a meeting. as for you not being worthy, the only one you need that confermation from is your god, and iam nothing but one of his children. now i dont know what your problem is, wish i could help you, but i sure wish you would also have a ..... cranial/rectile extraction. ol thumper the rabbit said it best..."if you aint got somethin nice to say, dont say nothin at all." and you dont sorta grasp that concept. have a nice day....
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We need two fats for our health. Omega 6 from regualar vegatable oils and omega 3 from cold water seafood. They must be balanced.
Omega 3 is a food product that our american diet is sorely lacking. Our diets are not balanced between O6 and O3 .
There are three major types of omega 3 fatty acids that are ingested in foods and used by the body:
One is alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) (from flax seed oil) Once eaten, the body converts ALA to EPA and DHA, the two types of omega-3 fatty acids more readily used by the body.
the other two are eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). (fish products)
Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) Children with ADHD may have low levels of certain essential fatty acids (including EPA and DHA) in their bodies. In a study of nearly 100 boys, those with lower levels of omega-3 fatty acids demonstrated more learning and behavioral problems (such as temper tantrums and sleep disturbances) than boys with normal omega-3 fatty acid levels. Studies that examine the ability of omega-3 supplements to improve symptoms of ADHD are still needed. At this point in time, eating foods high in omega-3 fatty acids is a reasonable approach for someone with ADHD and is showing real promise. There is much research going on at the local Oschner clinics concerning this and there is evidence that it is working in some of the more severe cases studied.
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I started reading these posts gpt bored ate supper, got bored, came to post here.........and never finshed this project haha
sign me up I have adult add if there is such a thing, DOc wanted me to try pills, nope not for me, I like me after 37 years dont want to change things now. lol
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Well, this tread has certainly had it's fair share..... did someone say... Hi BOB!!!!! so anyway, Bruce, like I was saying....um.... be right back
back......oops, this ain't the chat room....sorry.
I guess I should edit this post. Maybe later. I gotta do something else right now, but I'm not sure what it was.
Sometimes when things get a little too serious, you gotta let the funny out.
Having a midlife crisis and loving every minute of it! Rapid
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I think alot of the problems with kids nowadays could be coming from the steroids used on animals. I remember when girls began to develop at about age 15-16, now it is 10-12. I just got back from a mission trip in Brasil yesterday, and someone told me there that a milk cow will produce only a certain amount of milk in their lifetime, no matter how long they live. Now they inject the cows with cancer to make them produce more milk faster, because their bodies now they are going to die sooner. This, if true, is rediculous. I enjoy animals. I think they are delicious, but America has gone overboard.
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I was going to try to stay out of this and see where it went. But... I guess what I'm trying to figure out is how many here meet 12 of the traits listed above. Forget being labled or using a crutch or making excuses.
I am wondering if there is a higher propensity of people who meet the criteria of what some people call ADD, in our profession then there is in the general public.
I would think there is as there are so many thoughtful, creative and intelligent people who call letterville home?
Thanks for your answers. I notice alot of them come at all hours of the night.. Could insomnia or be another trait?
This could prove to be very interesting.
Maybe we could post a poll?
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I definitely have ADD, and it is a matter of brain chemistry. If you do have it, it is in your best interest to acknowledge it, learn about it, find ways to work around it and learn to be aware of when it is interfering with your goals. ADD can be a goal-stealer; you get fascinated with, and distracted by, things that are truly not important, and that time is lost forever. People with ADD crave (because of brain chemistry, sometimes a norepinephrine or other neurotransmitter issue) constant, immediate, short-term stimulation; physical, visual, mental, artistic, whatever it takes to stay awake. (this is why stimulants are sometimes prescribed) This can interfere to varying degrees with goals you have chosen as a rational adult. (pay that stack of bills, keep a steady job, be an attentive spouse/parent, save for retirement)
My income has SKYROCKETED since I had meds available if I feel the need for help focusing on dull, but important things, and I seem to have a lot more free time to enjoy my home life & hobbies.
If meds really help, take them. Not everyone needs them. There is a lot of macho pride here about "not solving your problems with pills". I dare you to take that approach if your thyroid acts up or you have allergies or high blood pressure. If meds help your kid sit still long enough to learn reading can be fun, I can almost guarantee your kid will end up smarter than you.
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Sorry Jeremy, not buying it. I am glad you feel your brain chemistry is helped by meds, but too many people feel their impulses and bad feelings can be helped by self medicating or with the help of doctors.
Now we live in an age when you are ecouraged to take a pill for sadness, anxiety, social problems etc. In the long run learning to overcome these on your own is the only real solution. If a person drinks to overcome these problems, they need a 12 step program, but somehow prescription drugs administered my a physician is ok. Don't believe it.
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I'll believe it all the way to the bank, sport. My net take-home income last month was a much greater influence for me than any amount of shame you direct towards those who are "weak" and take medication.
I bet there are people here who have serious depression and take antidepressants and gladly endure the side effects for a halfway normal life. There is nothing wrong with feeling sad or anxious, when it happens for a reason. When your brain chemistry is out of whack, it happens all the time for NO reason. You can't "snap out of it", any more than you can snap out of a toothache. People literally kill themselves in severe cases. I suspect you think that is more honorable than medication. Reality exists independent of your perception of it, and brain chemistry science does not require your acceptance or belief, to offer help to others.
Booze and drugs unfortunately bring some sort of escape to those who haven't found better answers. They don't help people cope or lead a more fullfilling, productive life.
On the other hand -- for many -- "meds" do.
For people with one form of mental illness or another nothing else they've tried has helped.
This being said, I understand (and to some extent share) your cynicism with "liberal" diagnosis and prescription. As a society, I think we are all too willing to deal with symptoms, rather than with the complexty of causes which more often than not cannot see their effects.
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I passed the test, I must have ADD too. But I don't have any vices like pot or booze, or smoking or any medications to try to control it.
I seem to have done what others here have done, and used it to my advantage in life's pursuits.
However, this explains why sometimes on this board one of my posts can be very helpful, and another can come off with bitterness, and I don't seem to understand the difference.
One thing I do notice in my area, the majority of the successful business people( very rich) are owned be people with ADD. While they are very successful, they are impossible to work with, disorganized, disfunctional, making their employees angry at every turn and keeping them confused, they are slow paying, quick to change sign shops because of something they don't like about they way you smiled at them or some dumb thing similar to that.
Wouldn't it be funny, though, that the people who do not have ADD have some other undiscovered mental problem that makes them so un-ADD and they go the other end of the spectrum?
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I read an article in a nutrition magazine yesterday and the gal claimed all the ADD and ADHD cases she saw were food or allergy related. Most of the problems with the kids was the sugar in the diet, lack of excercise, etc. Were all these symptoms misdiagnosed in the past or are some in the medical profession cashing in while the going is good?
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well this has been interesting, I for one DO have add and have been diagnosed, although I am reluctant to take meds till I fully understand it by reading books on it, Of course because of my add I keep putting off buying said books and of course I will have to read them twice because while reading them I will be thinking of ten other things of interest.
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Bob, there is a book that I found to be tremendously helpful in terms with insight into ADD. It is in workbook format so it is easy to break into small sessions - although if you are ADD you'll probably read the whole thing in one sitting, because you'll be so interested in the answers within. It really has some good info. not only for ADD, but for everyone, because I believe we all have the same issues - just to different extremes. I'm going to list the Chapters here so you can get an idea of the contents. 1 - Intro 2- Strengths and Weaknesses 3- Getting Started - Commit to Change 4- Self Esteem - Put Criticism in it's Place 5- Rational Thinking - Get a Handle on Automatic Thoughts 6- Focusing - Plan, Structure and Persevere in your Task 7- Finishing 8- Mood Management 9- Impulsivity - Recognizing why and when you lose control 10- Learning Skills - Identifying and building on what you have 11- Social Skills - Improving relationships with others by improving knowledge of yourself 12- Final Points Anyway, it is called "Living With ADD - A Workbook for Adults with Attention Deficit Disorder" and is co-written by M. Susan Roberts and Gerard J. Jansen Try very hard to read this one from front to back, because if you have ADD you likely start at the back of the book! It amazes me how some people can be so judgmental of others. If someone here feels that medication is beneficial to their life then what is the problem. Until you have lived in their minds you have no idea of what they do or don't need. If you research the subject you will find alot of valid information on the subject. If you have no reason to research it then just live and let live.
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iam with david & bob here. we live in a society that is "instant gratifaction", and fix it with a pill. i was diagnosed as "manic depressive" with suicidal tendancies(1975)after admitting myself to a psych ward. now theres a mouthful of garbage. for this i was given THORIZINE, HALDOL, COJANTEN, and so i wasnt a total catatonic, they(doctors) added mood elevators, ALIVILE, TRIVILE. and a few others i dont remember. now on top of this already leathal congogtion i added thru "self medication" QUALUDES, LIBRIUM, VALIUM, and with all this medication in my body i still couldnt get a full 8 hours of sleep. at best i got 4!!!!!! yea the pills did a lot for me. i dont disagree that there are some medical problems(said medical, not psych) and that some pills help those conditions. most psych problems at that time were being treated with minerals LITHIUM & STELIZINE. these are natural chemicals the body sometimes dont have enough of, hence the term chemical imbalance. another word for ADD is "SIDETRACKABILTY", this discribes most of us,some are worse then others. you start to do one thing, see something else that grabs your attention and you move to it and the cycle continues. this i learned in a rehab center i went to after my 28 days in the psych ward. there i got drug free, and AA was all that was available at that time. NA didnt come into being until the 80's. now without drugs, and "seeing thru clear eyes," and getting to the real problems in my life, and solving them one at a time, made my life a 1000% better. without any drugs!!!!! i dont say that all who have been diagnosed as ADD....arent. all iam saying for your own well being, get a 2nd opinion, also exhaust all other methods of treatment 1st! pick up a PDR sometime, and find the drug you are taking, look at the side effects.......and after that, if drugs are the only way then so be it. now i might be a little OCD, on this no drugs approch. drugs are partly the reason iam a vegitarian, no sodas, non smoker, non drinker, homopathic, chinese medicine user. i also believe foods cause most of your other problems. so i may be a little over cautious, but iam happy with the way i live, if your happy in yours thats ok to.
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Interesting subject, and interesting posts. Not real familiar with it from a first-hand point of view.
Reading up on it in the newest version of the Merck Manual. Three pages of VERY fine print, not all of which I understand.
Mostly the diagnosis seems to be made on the basis of observation and history, and often these come from untrained and therefore unreliable sources. Also, the behaviors that are being looked for to establish a diagnosis don't readily show up in the so-called clinical setting. The book goes on to say that "no particular signs or set of neurologic indicators is specific, and no specific test has been validated. Organic factors may have a role, but the primary signs are behavioral, varying with situation and time. ADD often cannot be distinguished from other behavioral disorders."
In other words, traditional Western medicine has a tough time diagnosing and treating ADD.
The book says a lot more on the subject, mostly on prognosis, drug treatment (or not) and counselling.
FWIW.
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I have lots of kid clients in one of my endeavors. About 10% of them come in with the ADD / traits. A very small handfull are really in trouble. Then, there is a large amount of them who are medicated and you can tell they really need it. You will observe their behavior and focus change after giving them their meds. Then there is a few that are using it because the parents just dont have the skills needed to direct the behavior of their kids. I can personally vouch for the number who really need it. And, I will invite anyone to come see for themselves what those in the know really understand. In my experience i will not be the one to tell anyone that the meds which brought out a positive life of a person in true need that the meds are just a crutch..
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Sorry but I don't buyinto any of this self serving crap....you can get a Merck manual or a DSM and make checklists for every disease/syndrome known to mankind and present yourself as symptomatic to all of them. Is it a legitimate excuse for children under 17-19 who haven't learned how to act/not act or whats expected of them in life? Yes...but at 30,40 or more when you have a mortgage,a buisness a marriage and kids or any combination there of... you didn't enter into any of these things involuntarily..you knew they brought obligations upon you and obligations mean sometimes having to do things you don't want to, and if you can't muster up the self discipline to buckle yourself down and do what you know has to be done in order to fulfill those obligations, you dont have ADD ADHD ABC Mickey Mouse or any other cute alphabet synopsis of the situation...you're being lazy and complacent and you're content to be that way and glad to find some alphabetical excuse to justify it...and since we now live in an age where personal responsibility and accountability is out and blaming someone else/something else is in it's really not surprising,as long as the blame can be passed onto someone else everything is wonderful and so are we and you give yourself an excuse to continue you the behavior......absolutely amazing how when someones back is really up against the wall they don't seem to have any difficulty at all rising to the occasion and meeting the challenge by doing whatever is is they need to get it done and they suddenly aren't a victim of any syndrome anymore.....Argue,cry,whine, post here or whatever...but if you can give yourself the the focus to sit and look it up online,read countless websites and books on the subject,then you can give yourself the focus to do what you need to do each and every day.
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quote:you dont have ADD ADHD ABC Mickey Mouse or any other cute alphabet synopsis of the situation...you're being lazy and complacent and you're content to be that way and glad to find some alphabetical excuse to justify it...and since we now live in an age where personal responsibility and accountability is out and blaming someone else/something else is in it's really not surprising,as long as the blame can be passed onto someone else everything is wonderful and so are we and you give yourself an excuse to continue you the behavior
But Gavin - what's got you so ruffled - I reread the posts here and I don't see anyone making excuses about not getting work done - I see good people being positive and dealing with certain shortcomings in the best way they know how.
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Have to wonder where the snit about the Merck came from too. Remember? I was involved in health care for a long time, and even though I have been away from it for almost as long, I am still interested.
That having been said, the only reason I refer to Merck is when I don't know much about what is being discussed, but I do know where to go to find answers---or, at least as much as I can understand.
Am also not sure if you're attacking me or not---I don't think so. I didn't say I had the problem---just looking for information that might help somebody else.
Will continue to do so----if that's all right with everybody.
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Hey Gavin, over eight years I served in Panama, the Gulf, Somalia, and Bosnia with Delta Force. One of the things we constantly reminded ourselves is that we were fighting to preserve and promote freedom. There were times, that thouoght alone was the only way to cope the horrors we were witness to. For that reason alone I respect your right to speech, as many men greater than you or I died fighting to protect that right for you.
I don't have to agree with your view but out of respect for those who gave their lives (some close friends of mine)so you can have the freedom to go online and express your opinions without worry or fear of recourse, I have to ask you to change your quote.
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David, after your reading your last post I have to ask if this somehow your way of demonstrating what you are talking about. Quite honestly, I can't follow the logic and non-sequitor nature of your comments. Free speech and remove Gavin's quote? Please explain. It did get me look up the source of the quote and find out some acts of heroism I was unaware of.
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Bill saying MERCK nor anything in the post had absolutely qnyhting do with you i refered to it b/c you did. Kelly sorry you think this has me "ruffled"...what i said wasn't anymore out of line than anyone else who disagreed with what you said,i'm just the last one that replied so i was an easy target for a rebuttal.
Bob.....funny I didn't mention you in what i posted yet you chose to attack me and i guess by spacing it out noone would realize you called me an A S S.....funny how youre name didnt come up yet you chose to make it about you and i'm the one projecting...OK
David Lexington.....about the quote......it's been under my name for going on 2.5 yrs and has absolutely nothing to with my views on whats posted here...I'm sure you noticed by now many people on this forum and others use quotes they feel are inspirational or whatever...sorry but thats mine and it's mine for a reason....the very second that request went out those 2 guys who 80% of the world never heard of and were content to have it that way displayed more courage,more personal values,more honor and a higher level of commitment to a cause than 99.9% of the people on this planet ever will...and the reason they did it is because someone had to try..they didn't do it to have everyone slap their backs and tell em how wonderful they were,and given the chance they'd do it all over again,and sorry but thats worthy of the utmost respect,it's the ultimate example of living your life to a value system...and if you truly were an eagle,you'll understand that and you'll be proud that someone gave two craps about them. I have no problem discussing this more but it will not be here...you email me at
zeeman40@hotmail.com
and we can discuss it till we're outta both dis and cuss...now lets let them get back to the task of demonizing me and piling on b/c i spoke up on this post.
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delta force....and your ADD???? gee a guy with a gun on drugs.....sounds smart to me.....many more like you in delta force? how many policemen out there with guns and ADD???? thats scary!!!!.. i think gavin is sayin same thing iam sayin...if you can atribute you bad behavior to some kinda medical origin, and take a pill to fix it then YOU ARENT RESPONSIBLE and are now a victim of your(medical problem) bad behavior.
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Boy..Fer a post about ADD there sure a lot of folks who are posting who are NOT ADD affected!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Talk about beating a dead horse and talk about "Attention Dedicated Dysfunction"!!!!
LOL LOL LOL
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Joe, I never said I was medicated. Fortunately I never had the problems you do and had to resort to any substance abuse. I sip the occasional herbal tea but that’s it. Taking part in illegal drug use would be weak and irresponsible. Treating a medical condition whether it is high blood pressure, Diabetes, ADD or anything else is not a weakness or an excuse. Recognizing you have a problem and doing something about in order to prevent continued problems is the responsible thing to do. Taking a pharmaceutical to prevent an ailment is not the same as hiding from the truth through use of illegal narcotics. Did you get you shots when you were a kid? Do you take an aspirin for a pain or get a tetanus shot for a severe cut or take an antibiotic to prevent the spread of infection when your sick?
As far as guns and drugs.
You would probably be surprised at the percentage of Special Forces soldiers who would have many traits and characteristics as those used to profile ADD. Part of the admission process is a battery of personality tests, similar to those used by developmental resource facility to test for ADD/ADHD. There is actually now a Brain Scat done that shows brain activity. The fact of the matter is “normal” people don’t get into the program. Without the assets that these “traits” provide the average person’s chemical make up would cause a behavior not unlike a nervous breakdown when **** hit the fan.
I don’t think it is a coincidence that there is not one documented case of a person who suffers from Post Traumatic Stress disorder that is also diagnosed ADD.
Now, I don’t know about the civilian police force but I’ve spent some time training with The Security Forces (Military Police). They are subjected to personality test as well but not the degree of testing one must undergo to be accepted into a special forces unit. As far as drug use. It is extremely rare in special forces units. .005% or something ridicules when compared to the general public.
Knowing the characteristics of people who fit the “profile”, I was curious as to what the percentage would be here as compared to the general public or the Special Forces, or Prisoners (estimated 80 plus percent) or other groups.
It seems some people took a real offense to the question. I wonder why?
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how can I not make it about me? its not JUST me but I did take some of your remarks to heart
I'm starting to see some validity to the whole adult ADD thing myslef, stuff that all my life for myself, I struggled with like organzation for example. I work on it constantly, and I mean it is the same struggle on a daily basis, I also have a difficult time focusing on most things that are laborious. Am I lazy? for the most part no I can be at times but this does not fall under that catagory. Because if I find something intersting and I can work till 3 in the morning on it. Hell I dont even take the same route somewhere all the time, it bores me.
As it reads here in this thread quite a few others seem to have similar traits, They affect thier lives, Some to the extent of trying medication to solve the problem. So my post was more about US, as I do not personally know enough about ADD to classify myself with it, So a doctor has said I DO have it. I don't beleive him, not enough to take meds yet.
you are so correct when you say we live in a day and age when society wants to blame and take no responsibilty, but we also live in a day where we know more and can recognize some behaviors as medical shortcomings that are genetic.
To blame it on genetics is not wrong as long as you recognize it and work towards a positive solution, whether it be meds or knowledge. Now to sit and whine and blame your parents for the dna can be lazy & irresponsible blah blah blah. lets use an old AA analogy... if you think it is just self discipline, next time you get diahrrea, use your self discline to stop it, dont take any ant acid or pepto bismal, just good old fashioned self control ought to do it.
by generalizing and saying in your post that people who feel they have ADD are just lazy and complacent and looking to blame thier shortcomings on someone or somethings is being an @$$ plain and simple, there is no projection here from me, you said, I called you on it.
The reason I spaced it out is that I wanted it to show up, the BB filters it out it normal context.
-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
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dave i was in the service 65-73....you said you were ADD as a child. so iam aware of service requirements. as for taking drugs that are prescribed....if you believe you are sick then take them. i have been drug free, i say this meaning i take no drugs prescibed or other wise. not many can say that!!! i stated in a prior post that i prefer to take responibilty for my actions and behaviour. i have a functional brain and it can keep me on track...without any medication. yes i did the doctors presciptions, and they were wrong. this is how i prefer it to be. like i said before if you belive you are not stong minded enought to move thru lifes daily chores... then let the doctors keep you medicated.....and bob....how long do you take the pepto.....for the rest of your life? because you had diareha one day?
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-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Bob #1 you can make it not about you b/c nowhere in what i posted did it say bob rochon please look here b/c this is for you and you only.... if you wanna differ in opinions thats fine with me,i dont share yours and you dont share mine,coupla points are similar......hey thats life...but unless i personally go after you don't turn tables and tell me to kiss a*s,call me an a*s,tell me to go screw myself or anything else just b/c you don't like what i said.....can't comment on the rest never had the need to go to AA
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I dont buy into this crap either people who generalize and say things like
quote:you dont have ADD ADHD ABC Mickey Mouse or any other cute alphabet synopsis of the situation...you're being lazy and complacent and you're content to be that way and glad to find some alphabetical excuse to justify it...and since we now live in an age where personal responsibility and accountability is out and blaming someone else/something else is in it's really not surprising,as long as the blame can be passed onto someone else everything is wonderful and so are we and you give yourself an excuse to continue you the behavior
are just plain talking out their butt with no concideration, understanding, openmindedness and knowledge of the situation.
There! now its not about anyone in specific, no names mentioned here
ps. you dont have to go to AA to have diareha. And Joe, dont mudd the waters, I used that anaolgy to relate to a medical condition that is treated best with medication, and cannot be controled by will power. You cant compare the two for they are different conditions.
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-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
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Hey David...I kinda got sucked into the thread and didn't answer your question. SO...I went back and 'took the test'. I deal with 11 out of 20, but that figure has been much higher for me. I've grown alot and have learned to overcome alot of stuff that was on that list. Some of that stuff is very positive...like being creative and intelligent. BTW...my son would probably LOVE to meet you. He's REALLY into military stuff (he's almost 10). Would you have a problem with him emailing you sometime? He's away from home currently, but with your okay I'll tell him about you and see if he wants to contact you. Lemme know...
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Hmmmmmmm... Brain Scat... kinda says it all...
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