I've been following John Deatons post about substitutions for mdo. I like to use diabond, but my supplier told me many are using 1/2" intecel for 4X8's now. He says you can paint it, cut it, apply vinyl and it isn't supposed to yellow. I ordered a sheet and plan on trying it. I realize it will expand and contract, so that will have to be taken into consideration when installing.
I'd love to hear pros/cons/tips/advice from anyone using these products. I just can't seem to trust that the paint won't flake off when it starts to "breathe". I'm also curious about installation. Do you use washers behind the screws? Will it become brittle?
Suelynn
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Suelynn Sedor Sedor Signs Carnduff, SK Canada Posts: 2863 | From: Carnduff, SK Canada | Registered: Nov 1998
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It's okay inside. That's it. Again I repeat inside. I don't like having to do signs over for free. For temp signs I use 1/2" coroplast, and permanent stuff .080 aluminum. Nothing else. No more experiments.
-------------------- Dennis Veenema The Sign Shop Dresden, Ont. but what do I know anyway...I've only been doing this for 20 years! Posts: 368 | From: Dresden, Ont.,CAN | Registered: May 1999
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-------------------- Ron Helliar Marysville Sign 11807 51st Ave. NE Marysville, WA 98271 (360) 659-4856 Posts: 263 | From: Marysville, WA USA | Registered: Feb 1999
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A few weeks ago I saw several 1/2" intecel 3-panel billboards at a ballpark and there were cracks at just about every spot the intecel was screwed into the 2x4 wood stringers. I have a feeling these panels will completely fall away from the frame in another year or two or a strong wind storm. I don't think it's worth the hassle espcially when it's not that much a saving from Dibond.
-------------------- Happy Signing...... Marty
M.F. (Marty) Happy Signmaker Since 1974 Happy Ad Sign & Design Regina SK, Canada S4N 5K4 306-789-9567 happyad@sasktel.net www.happyad.ca
Get Happy & Get Noticed! Posts: 773 | From: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada | Registered: Jan 1999
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We have used alot - shapes well, holds paint well. Nice to use for die cut letters - can't be painted with dark colours or it will warp. Don't ever use vinyl so can't tell what would happen. Some thing have been out for 3 years & seem great. Make sure you overdrill holes.
-------------------- Murray MacDonald OldTime Signs 529 Third Ave S Kenora, ON. P9N 1Y3 oldtimesigns@gokenora.com Posts: 781 | From: Kenora, ON | Registered: Jan 2003
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Okay, here's another question. When you use diabond for a 4X8, is it really strong enough to put up on two posts, or do you have to use extra stringers compared to mdo?
Suelynn
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Suelynn Sedor Sedor Signs Carnduff, SK Canada Posts: 2863 | From: Carnduff, SK Canada | Registered: Nov 1998
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No, you cannot mount it on 2 posts, but it will work with several stringers. It will need more support than a sheet of MDO. I just installed a 32' x 4' on the 2nd floor roof of a bldg on our harbourfront and used one vertical support every 8' and and four 1" x 4" stringers horizontally. Might have been overkill, but we get fairly strong winds off the lake and it's easier to overbuild than to run into problems later.
Deb
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From experience I'll back up what Muray had to say. Our shop tried using Intecel for a cut to shape logo on the south side of a building. Still in place as far as I know. The problem was during the install on a slightly warm day. Our installer set the dark navy blue 36" diameter circle of 1/2" Intecel on the ground while he install some of the other copy. when he came back to it in just 5-10 minutes it had aquired a new shape, convex! We have never used it for that application again.
-------------------- Mark Sheflo Renton, Washington A-Squared Signs, LLC Posts: 145 | From: Renton, Washington | Registered: Feb 2003
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A few years ago, I figured I'd try it outdoors. I had planned to cut a sheet into 1x4 panels for individual tenant signs (to be attached to a wall). I wasn't in my shop when my supplier delivered, so he layed the sheet on my loading dock. Full sun, 90 degree day. When I came in, it looked like a fried strip of bacon. Scary. Never tried an exterior application.
-------------------- Tim Whitcher Adrian, MI Posts: 1546 | From: Adrian, MI | Registered: Mar 1999
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