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WHAT A CROCK A SH**!!!!! montey i give you credit for not killin anybody. went there today, all afternoon, iam lookin to put up a 25'x 50' metal building with a 12'x 12' overhead. nothing fancy just someplace to park my vehicles(and later a work shop). i got 2 acres of land.....and i cant put up a 1200 s.f. building!!!!!! iam only allowed 933 s.f. now i gota go before the variance board(fun fun) and PAY THEM $350 so they can say yea or nay...and either way it goes they KEEP MY $350!!!!!!!!! WHAT A CROCK A SH**!!!!!!!!! and this is only 1st step!!!!!!
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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I would have to agree with you on your demise...if you decide to pursue your application for variance, I might be able to assist you. I am in my 3rd term on the board that listens to cases just like yours. Ours is called "Board of Adjustment" and as vice chairman, we have been sued in federal court a few times for granting variances much like yours because I beleive you should have total right to use your property as you deem as long as it does not effect the neighborhood and is good for the city as a whole...but I will tell you that we do not allow too many of these for the exact reasons you mention and that is preventing somone from starting a home based business in a residential neighborhood. It eventually would erode the local tax base for other homeowners...I have seen it.
I follow thru with those that might truely have a hardship otherwise or in truth would not violate the spirit of the ordinance as recorded.
hope this helps
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-------------------- Robert Beverly Arlington, Texas Posts: 1033 | From: Arlington, Texas | Registered: Jan 2001
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that supposed to make me feel that iam being treated fairly?.....dont think so.....i said i GOT 2 ACRES, not a problem with any of the things you say. hell, you cant even see our house from the road. and the $350 being paid....WEATHER I GET THE VARIANCE OR NOT???? i stand a better use of that money in a crap game!!!!
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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You would have a better chance in a crap game if you go into a variance meeting with that kind of crap attitude.
A well defined game plan and a little humbleness will go a very long way to getting what you want done accomplished. A quick chat with the buiding inspector will start you down the path you need to take to get to where you want to go. I would bet money that the inspector will give you all the help you need. It is their job to make sure things get done right.
I am sure your municipality has a vested interest in making sure that the code is enforced and that, as Robert stated, that the neighborhood is not drastically affected by your building. The city wants to increase it's tax base and will work with you, as long as you are willing to do the same, to make this come to pass.
Our city has the same rules regarding the varience fees. It really isn't the money grab you are trying to make it out to be. The rule is there to stop people from applying for frivilous variances that have no hope of being passed and wasting the time of everyone involved in process from the council all the way to the inspectors.
If you go in there with the "I better get my way or there is going to trouble" attitude, that is a sure fire way of getting your application denied and you would deserve whatever crap they heap on you. Going in there with an attitude of compromise and even temperment will accomplish so much more.
My Daddy told me a long time ago... "Son, you will catch a heap more flies with honey than you ever will with vinegar."
I wish you the best in your endeavor, Joe.
-------------------- Bruce Bowers
DrCAS Custom Lettering and Design Saint Cloud, Minnesota
"Things work out best for the people who make the best of the way things work out." - Art Linkletter Posts: 6465 | From: Saint Cloud, Minnesota | Registered: Jun 1999
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I have to agree with Bruce and Robert here. I was one of those guys that did not like all of the crap that the plan commission guys were handing out... so they appointed me to the plan commission.
Let me tell you what I know, and it ain't enough. There's a pile of rules and regulations regarding many types of buildings including building structures such as fences and sheds and carports. Sometimes the setback regulations inadvertently apply to places that should not require such a strict regulation. Perhaps in this case the ruling should change, but that does not really help you out here.
Here, if you intend to build a building you have to have a site plan review. The price for this is $300.00. You can come before the plan commission 3 times in one year to get it approved, if not on the third time, you can't bring it back for one year. You can take it to the board of appeals.
I don't know what the set up is where you are, but here you would need to talk to the building inspector, and then if you do have to have a site plan review, there will be "staff" recommendations from the city administrator, the building inspector, the city engineer, and the city planner. You say "park cars" for now, and then a shop in the future. These might be two completely different zoning situations in your area. At least, this would have to be reviewed to protect the city and your neighbors from the wrong thing in the wrong place. Water runoff from a new roof has to be taken into consideration. there are a lot of things to conssider these days.
Most of all, go in there and speak clearly, calmly and intelligently about what you are doing and you will gain a lot of respect and support right off the bat. Don't get ticked off if they ask you a plie of questions that should not be their business... it is and they have a right to do it. Also, the planners... like me who sit on the plan commission are probably NOT as up to speed on the code as the "staff" is. Get some other examples of similar building that have gone up in your area. Go in there with tons of good ammunition and act as if you are willing work with the group.
Good Luck.
Also, check your code... you say two acres, I don't know what else you have there but there may be a maximum allowed Sq. Ft. of building. I assume that is why you have to get a variance. Check to see if they go by percentage or by a maximum per parcel. Perhaps you could divide the parcel and create a new lot. You would probably have several meetings to go through and I would imagine that it would be October or November by the time you could start. Have plans. Don't scribble something on a napkin. If creating a new parcel, you may have to give something back to the city in land or some sort of an easement or towards park or greenspace.
I'm sure this is not what you wanted to hear, but you will.
-------------------- Jeff Vrstal Main Street Signs 157 E. Main Street Evansville, WI 53536 1-608-882-0322 Posts: 670 | From: Evansville, Wisconsin | Registered: Sep 2001
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Similar rules here and we are on an acre and a half.
But there's a little loop hole.
In my case I went in with a big grin & asked the building inspector for some advise. He was most helpful!
We are on RR1 land... rural residential. A home business and out buildings are allowed but to a maximum of 1000 square feet. Same goes for outbuildings such as garages etc.
The inspector asked me to explain our project. I did and was honest with him as to sizes of the spaces and uses we intended. It involved a 1600 square foot shop, and 800 square feet of studio plus a bunch of storage as well as a 1000 square foot greenhouse.
Under our zoning, farm use buildings are exempt from the regulations and don't require a variance. The inspector asked if we were possibly going to store some greenhouse (farm stuff) in the barn (shop) wink wink. I answered affirmative. He then said no problem.... the studio was under 1000 square feet & the rest was exempt. What we did with the space after we built it was our business.
I went away giggling!
-dan
-------------------- Dan Sawatzky Imagination Corporation Yarrow, British Columbia dan@imaginationcorporation.com http://www.imaginationcorporation.com
Being a grampa is one of the the most wonderful things in the world!!! Posts: 8766 | From: Yarrow, B.C. Canada | Registered: Nov 1998
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you are right its crap damm yankees build a pole building big then close it in later good luck at the crap table , that wouldnt be in the planning commisior office would it?
ps take your dog for " giggles"
-------------------- sam kinnear stick um up signs redmond wa Posts: 93 | From: redmond wa | Registered: Jun 2003
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# 1 i dont get to go to the variance board. its a closed session. all i do is fill out paper work accompined by a check. the board meets goes over the paper work and then sends a letter. the way they decide how big of a out building you can have here is 1/2 of your existing structure. my house is the only other building on the 2 acres and is 1866 sq.ft. so 933 sq.ft.(see if you can make a rectangle building with "nominal size") so it has that for a sq.ft. footprint. its either 912 s.f or 950.s.f. ian damn near rural where iam at i can have chickens.....and no problem.
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-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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I think Dan hit the situation perfectly...You would be surprised how much weight goes into the proceedings when done correctly in their mind. PLAY THE GAME....and understand this...you may not like the city official dealing with you on this but you need to kiss his butt as much as possible!
Once all testimonial at our (PUBLIC..I would check into this if I were you...they should be public, not private but your state laws may be different) public sessions conclude on a case, we openly deliberate the findings, ask questions and one question I ask every session is, I look over to the building official that acts as a secretary to the board during proceedings, and ask...What is the cities position on this case? I have a great deal of respect for them and know they are not self serving, therefore I will usually convince the other board members voting to give weight to the cities finding.
and also as Dan eluded, There is always a way, you just have to be creative in describing your intent of the building!
-------------------- Robert Beverly Arlington, Texas Posts: 1033 | From: Arlington, Texas | Registered: Jan 2001
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hahahahaha monty.....yep got me riled up on just the pre building stage. i agree... aint ****ed anyone off, did my vent here rather then in their office. i sat there like the dummy iam supposed to be...and let them tell me how it is. the rules for building vary from place to place. here all i can build is 933 sq.ft. and the hight was never asked about(yet). now get this, i can build a 400 sq.ft. outbuilding..WITHOUT A PERMIT!!! iam thinkin it out this way now, i go ahead get the permit for a 24' x 38', that gives me 912 s.f. i make the concrete pad 24 x 52. go ahead and build the garage as per permit. then i can build a 12'x 24'(288 sq.f.t) on the same pad....and build it 2' away from the 24x 38...as a seperate building. just got a call from the permit office, i paid for a permit yesterday $28.00 so i can get my electic, cable,tv lines run underground, the house is 120 ft from the service pole, all the line tend to hang kinda low, so iam gona put em underground. well they took my money, gave me a copy of the permit, now this morning this other guy is lookin for his septic tank permit......and I HAVE IT!!! mine never got payed for....and this is my 1st time there.....hope this is not a sample of things to come!!!!!hahahahahahahahaah
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