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I painted the first coat on a sign a week ago and it is still tacky - and no it isn't Benjamin Moore! It is the required paint for a system standard so I don't have any choice in it. I've used the same paint before many times without trouble, but this can won't dry. What can I do to accelerate it - at this rate it will take the whole summer to paint it. I think I'll take the can back and get the store to replace it, but I am concerned with the coat that is on it already. If I roll another coat on top will it bond?
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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Kelly, More info please... What brand of paint? What exactly what are you painting on? Any additives? Do they require additives? Do they require heat to dry?
That should clear it up for me...
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Richard, It's a Co-op brand, industrial type, oil enamel. I just applied one coat to a primed MDO board. I've used the same stuff, with the same primer before and never had problems. This just seems to be a bad can of paint, if thats possible. I used a disposable tray liner and the paint hasn't dried on it either. Past experience with this stuff usually has it drying overnight (6-12 hrs depending on conditions). I guess I could always take some paint thinner and scrub it off if I have to.
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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One of the problems with waiting is the amount of dust it'll pick up in the meantime.
If you can wipe it off, that's probably best, that way no surprises when applying the graphics.
Is this a different color than you used before? If so, you might have gotten an old can that the dryers "died" in. Is the label faded? Anyway, the solutions pretty simple, add some Japan dryer. Too much is tempting, but not good for the paint.
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch, Benjamin Franklin Posts: 2057 | From: 1033 W. Union Valley Rd. | Registered: Feb 2003
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Hi Kelly....First I'd like to tell you that Co-op paint is actually General Paint but has the C-op label on it...I too have had trouble in the past and just cleaned it all off with thinners ( messy job) and had them replace the paint...stillto this day do not have the anwser why??? Hope this helps....Hope to see you at the meet in July...Pat
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Kelly try putting some hydrogen peroxide in a mist bottle(rapid tac type bottle) amd mist it lightly over the surface,when the peroxide starts to evaporate the exta oxygen hitting the resin in the enamel *should* make it start to kick and cure. Not a 100% guaranty since its been 4-5 days since you painted the board but give it a shot.
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Co-op used to sell an exellent enamel until about four years ago or so when they switched to that other stuff. I don't like it, although I never had the drying problems you describe. Actually I use Benjamin Moore now and like it...oops, had to throw that in.
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I don't know why you guys/gals keep using inferior products. The industry standard is One-Shot *Sign* Painters Lettering enamel. I hand lettered a sign today, stuck it out in the sun, and was able to second coat it after only twenty minutes. To top it off, it was white on process green. The signs were coated out just before I quit work the previous day, and I lettered them first thing this morning. You could also use Chromatic. Its the same company and theres not much difference between the two.
I know that you like using certain paints...All I'm saying is, "just give 1-shot a try", I'll bet you won't got back to the other paint.
Good Luck.
--Rich
-------------------- Richard Bustamante Signs in the Pines www.signsinthepines.com Posts: 781 | From: Nevada City, California | Registered: Nov 1998
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Richard, I use 1shot Lettering enamel for exactly that: lettering! And the reason for not using it as background paint is simple: Gallon of BJ white $41Cdn, Galloon of 1Shot white $86Cdn. I do agree though that it is better paint. Just speaking for myself.
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I still don't understand you people that use house paint on signs!
House paint is for houses!
1Shot is for signs! Bulletin Enamels are also for signs! IF you must use something other than sign paint for backgrounds, USE INDUSTRIAL ENAMELS, instead of house paint!
Today most house paints are just crap, compared to what they were just 5 years ago!
A combination of EPA & OSHA rules, combined with maximization of profits, poor quality control, and corporate indifference = taking a BIG chance on your work!
OK! 1Shot costs 2X the price of BM....but if it takes 2X the paint for equal coverage, PLUS sometimes not curing, or worse yet ...paint failure....where is the savings?
If you are going to make professional quality signs and graphics...use professional quality materials!
Just my humble opinion!
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Brushasaurus on Chat Posts: 8831 | From: La Mirada, CA, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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OK guys I posted this topic to find out if there was anything that I could do to make the paint dry. If you read the two posts I made on this thread you will see that I stated in the first post that this was a System Standard sign (and as such had a required paint) and in the second post that it is an Industrial enamel. The first signs I ever did were made from the same paint almost 13 years ago and are still very functional, although the South facing one is faded somewhat. These signs are Sonic Red and in all honesty I have never seen a red paint that can compare. I do agree that 1 Shot are the best paints for the job - unfortunately I can't buy them in Regina. I mainly use marine enamel paints, simply because they are accessable. I also have my wonders about the changes 1 shot have had to undergo because of environmental regulations. I do know that I had 1 shot maroon fade so badly in 1 year that I had to repaint it. I can't think of what I could have done wrong to cause that. Saskatchewan has the worst extremes in climate and I can honestly say that I am quite content with the marine enamels that I use. Please note: the smileys mean I'm not angry - just answering your questions.
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It is the required paint for a system standard so I don't have any choice in it. I've used the same paint before many times without trouble, but this can won't dry. What can I do to accelerate it - at this rate it will take the whole summer to paint it. I think I'll take the can back and get the store to replace it, but I am concerned with the coat that is on it already.
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